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Offline Ivo

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Re: 18th Century engraved goblet. (20th Century repro??)
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 07:18:09 PM »
There is a similar goblet in "Ispanskoe Steklo" (the major Sal Ildefonso glass exhibition staged by the Hermitage in 1970) which is 20 cm, has a foot folded under and dated around 1775 - but impossible to say if the similarity is conclusive. It may just be the fashion of the time...
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Re: 18th Century engraved goblet. (20th Century repro??)
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 03:03:54 AM »
Andy, the complete book is viewable online in the Internet Archive:
http://www.archive.org/details/oldglasseuropean000512mbp 8)


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Re: 18th Century engraved goblet. (20th Century repro??)
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 10:39:12 AM »
Hi ,
         I believe what you have here is an 18thc bohemian goblet around mid century , the fact that the foot is not folded is not really a problem , many continental and english glasses of this period could be either plain conical or folded , the rim looks to me to be fire polished , as i would expect it to be, I have several examples in my collection.Hudson Moore's book (which i have) is considered by most to be very innacurate with its attributions , with many items being attributed to Stiegel and San Ildefonso incorrectly, these items probably having been imported by Stiegel and resold, old glass books can be very misleading!!!!,
  The 'Rijksmuseum' catalogues show many examples like yours attributed to Bohemia and germany, you may also like to look at Dr Fischers auctions ,in germany, again here you should find many similer examples ,

So in a nutshell , probably mid 18thc and not a copy and not Spanish , probably Bohemian with typical Bohemian engraving of the period , and if bought cheaply a great find , though never highly valuable at auction , a few hundred pounds would be reasonable to expect.
   Hope this helps ,
            Peter.


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Re: 18th Century engraved goblet. (20th Century repro??)
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 11:59:24 AM »
Thanks for the responses,
Ivo and Peter,  Im pleased that the opinion is probably mid 18th Century, although
the origin may be hard to confirm, I think it was the unusual pattern that made the small
auction house think it was probably a later repro, ive always thought it probably is 18thC ;D
I will have a look at the Rijksmuseum and Dr Fisher,
Peter, i think i paid about £30 or £40 , and i was very happy at that price , even if a repro  ;D

Anne, that was a much better link than the one i had, as i was able to save , copy and print it out,
re copyright, as the book is circa 1930s, am i able to put a copy of the photo, and maybe text, on
the GMB????
Thanks again,
Andy
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Re: 18th Century engraved goblet. (20th Century repro??)
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 12:16:01 PM »
No because the copyright does have an owner, but you can put a link


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Re: 18th Century engraved goblet. (20th Century repro??)
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 12:34:05 PM »
 :mrgreen: £30 or £40  a bargain  :clap: :hiclp: I am jealous  :'( :cry:

very well spotted ,  lol    want to do some buying for me ???? :thup:


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Re: 18th Century engraved goblet. (20th Century repro??)
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2009, 03:57:38 PM »
Thanks Peter,
I found the pics of your collection, nice stuff  :o
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,29962.0.html

and had a look at the links you gave me, Dr Fischer auctions seem to get good prices for
the nice glass they sell.

I may sell this and a few other old bits next year, i will let you know ;)
Cheers
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Re: 18th Century engraved goblet. (20th Century repro??)
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2009, 04:35:58 PM »
Hi Andy ,
              Thanks for your comments , of course the goblets are only a part of the collection ,the part that takes up the most space though ,look forward to any old bits you might be thinning out .

Cheers ,
 Peter.


 

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