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pretty victorian 'Peloton' vases. Kralik or English?
« on: January 27, 2007, 02:41:10 PM »
Ive seen a few similar examples of these in my books and also in the gallery.
Technique called 'pelaton' invented by Wilhelm Kralik in 1880, also seen examples listed
as possibly English.
Anyone know the origin of this pair? Was Pelaton produced by one of the Stourbridge companies?
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4732

(had few problems uploading pics this morning, will add base pic later )
Thanks Andy
edit...added.
still wont upload anymore photos today, is it just me?

Hi heartofglass, i think the pelaton piccies in the gallery were yours, and ive just seen you are online,
any help on the above,
thanks Andy
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Re: pretty victorian 'Pelaton' vases. Kralik or English?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2007, 03:02:43 PM »
Hi Andy, forgive my ignorance, is the pelaton the moulded shape or the coloured cased glass?

Only pelaton I have ever heard of was in the Tour de France, so this term is new to me in this context.
Thank you very much!

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Re: pretty victorian 'Pelaton' vases. Kralik or English?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2007, 03:09:34 PM »
Hi Andy, :)
great vases! Peloton glass is my favourite type of Victorian glass (aside from hand vases that is!)
Wilhelm Kralik patented it on 25th October 1880 but the Kralik factory apparently wasn't the one that made it- it was made by Harrach.
See this link.....http://www.glasscollector.net/Peloton/Harrach%20Peloton.html
Speculation abounds that various Stourbridge firms made it - (such as Webb, Boulton & Mills-implied by Manley) but there's no coclusive proof as yet. Also some believe that Mt. Washington made it in the U.S.A, but once again no conclusive proof exists.
I have 26 items of peloton glass in my collection, & have noticed a number of different variations on the basic theme of applied threads- some are multicoloured on clear glass, others on cased opaque white (like yours), yet others with single colour threads on clear glass. Some also have satin finishes, & I also have 2 vases with pink threads over pale peach/orange colored spatter glass. All these variations do suggest a variety of manufacturers. Unfortunately none are marked! :(
Andy,if you wish to sell these vases, pencil me in! Lovely,lovely vases & really good examples of peloton. :)
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Re: pretty victorian 'Pelaton' vases. Kralik or English?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2007, 03:16:02 PM »
Hi Lynne, :)
the name peloton is a funny one...whenever I search for it I tend to end up with a lot of stuff on cycling!
I think it relates to the a word in French that means both a skein or ball of thread (seems to make sense for the glass decoration as it made of applied threads) as well as a platoon of soldiers. That meaning makes sense in relation to the current meaning as a group of cyclists.
So in the glass sense it relates to the threaded patttern.
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Re: pretty victorian 'Pelaton' vases. Kralik or English?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2007, 03:29:36 PM »
Thanks Marinka,
I thought youd like them, and thanks for the information, i just googled it and see its actually
a pack of cyclists!
I am going to sell them, although as with all glass collectors, you buy something nice, planning
to sell it, but once it finds its way on to a shelf, it sometimes is very hard to take it off again!

I wonder on this style that the Kralik glass is clear and the English is white glass, it does remind
me of Webb from that time.
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Re: pretty victorian 'Pelaton' vases. Kralik or English?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2007, 03:32:03 PM »
Thanks Marinka!  I have never seen this, how interesting. I really like it. 

Nearest I have seen is the threaded PK and Loetz Formosa (closely missed on one of those today...  :'(  never mind...) which always seem as expensive at auction as I can sell them for, so I never get them.  I should keep my eye out for this which is equally interesting, but maybe less main-stream, which would mean fewer people chasing it.

Thank you very much!

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Re: pretty victorian 'Pelaton' vases. Kralik or English?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2007, 03:40:55 PM »
Lynne,
Id never seen them before, i viewed them at auction,(they didnt have a name for them)
 wasnt really planning to buy,
but when i got home, i was looking for another piece of glass in my books, and just by
coincidence saw some pelaton vases, they seemed to be worth more than the estimate,
so i bid for them, and as i say, they tend to grow on you, so still havent sold them!

Managed to upload the base picture, it seems a bit hit and miss today, not sure why?

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4733
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4734

Marinka, they are in perfect condition!
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Re: pretty victorian 'Pelaton' vases. Kralik or English?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2007, 03:56:57 PM »
Hi Andy,
if you want to sell, please drop me a line! Would love to add these to my collection. :) :)
Here's some examples from my collection, b.t.w....
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/peloton-group.jpg)
Hi again Lynne,
it is a little like Loetz & Pallme Koenig but the threads are short & broken up, not long trailed ones.
It is fairly unusual glass that doesn't turn up often.
Sadly I lost out on a peloton bowl yesterday on Ebay that I was bidding on (got sniped... >:() just seeing these  vases made me smile again! :)
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Re: pretty victorian 'Pelaton' vases. Kralik or English?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2007, 06:17:02 PM »
Hi Marinka and Andy - for some reason the glass makes me think of sugared almonds and icecream sundaes...

lovely!
Thank you very much!

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