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Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« on: February 05, 2007, 10:33:44 AM »
Big thanks to Dee (untamedlady2000)  :)

When she posted the link to the Bagley thistle jugs, i noticed some Bagley pieces in "vine and twine" mounts, like this

http://www.knottingley.org/history/bagleyglass/bagley_products16.htm


I have this "basket" which I had posted on the old board. I think someone (sorry don't remember who) said it was Zimmerman but the idea that they were made for Bagley never came up. I went back and searched for the thread and could never find it  :(

Here is my frame or mount

Leaf and twine mount

Detail of design

Do you know which Bagley piece this would have been made to fit?  The  diameter is 4 inches and the depth of the basket is 2 1/4 inches with overall height at 6 3/4 inches.



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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 11:13:43 AM »
I've seen these on several shapes of both Bagley and Sowerby pieces (possibly others too). I do recall starting a thread about them just after the Charles & Camilla wedding, as I was intrigued by the way in which the "Fascinator" hats looked (to me) just like these metalwork items.
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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 12:27:19 PM »
Many of the plainer Bagley shapes were sold in leaf and twist metalwork (and other sorts of metalwork). It seems to have been a way of livening up pre-war designs for post-war (1950s) production, as I have yet to find a uranium piece in metalwork. Whether this was how Bagley sold them or whether a wholesaler commissioned the metalwork is a subject for debate I think. Off the top of my head I can't think of a piece of Bagely to fit in a handled basket, and as the metalworkers often supplied across the glass and china trades the likelihood of identifying something to go in your basket recedes. :-\ ??? I think the only thing we can be fairly confident about is that the basket was probably made in the UK and probably in the 1950s


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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2007, 05:21:31 PM »
Quote from: Lustrousstone
... Whether this was how Bagley sold them or whether a wholesaler commissioned the metalwork is a subject for debate I think. ...

Unlikely to be either;  much more likely that Zimmerman bought the glass, added the leaf mounts, and sold the range as their own.

Connie — I can remember this query the first time around, and that several of us had seen both Bagley and Sowerby glass in these mounts.   The ultimate leaf-mounted piece was the tulip lamp (aka cabbage lamp) of which I have seen just the one, in satin green, and only matched by the Leek Andromeda lamp as a retro classic.

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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2007, 06:48:28 PM »
Connie

I have a wire frame with leaf and vine it still has a original label tired to it, also a piece of Sowerby carnival glass in a frame, The firm Abrahams took over Davidson's and had a large metal works to use on there glass. Here two photos.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4898

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4899

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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2007, 06:59:52 PM »
Hi Connie, I remember that thread as I have one of these "Zimmerman" baskets, with a glass inner that cannot be pinned down to anyone.  The original thread which discussed these was this one... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1101.0.html and there was a later one here... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4420.0.html

Hope this helps. :)

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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2007, 07:25:21 PM »
I can't add anymore to the origin of these frames but I do have this one http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4900 which I bought on ebay a couple of years ago.  I'm not convinced that the blue liner is original as it is jammed in, slightly on the 'huh  ;)
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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 07:28:50 PM »
Anne — Thanks for the old links.   By the way did you see my "A study of mounted glass by Zimmerman, Brama (and Leek) is a virgin field pregnant with possibilities."?   I thought it was my best ever one-liner, and no-one even noticed.

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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 07:53:09 PM »
Tony's labelled frame interesting as it appears to be oak leaves not bog-standard leaf-shaped leaves - not one I've seen before.

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Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 09:46:32 PM »
We did notice, Bernard, but didn't reply just to tease you. ;)  I don't think it'd get past the Plain English Campaign somehow. ;D

 

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