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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2007, 07:14:18 PM »
Very yummy Glen!  ;D  Also, sadly cracked as can just be seen in the photo, but as I paid a whole £1 for it in this condition I don't mind at all. :)


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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2007, 09:50:44 PM »
Ooh, that is pretty Anne. Even with the crack. So I guess that I can assume that this design might have originally been made by Davidson (marked) and later acquired by Fenton who produced them without the mark?
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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2007, 12:39:19 AM »
It's Lemon Pearline, Lyn... one of Davidson's specialities.  It also glows like mad under UV light. :)  Can't add anything to the Fenton debate though, I'm afraid - that's way out of my area of knowledge.

Chris Stewart shows the basket in blue on his site here (bottom picture on the page) http://www.cloudglass.com/VictorianOther.htm and he also shows pieces made by Davidson in Milk Glass elsewhere on the same site, e.g. the creamer at the bottom of this page: http://www.cloudglass.com/VictorianSugars.htm.  Chris may be able to tell you if he's aware of the basket being made in Milk Glass also.


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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2007, 01:37:38 AM »
Thanks for those links Anne. I might email him with pics of both of my baskets and see if he can fill in some gaps. Edited to add pic:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5218

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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2007, 01:56:26 AM »
Anne, I emailed Chris and here is his response:

Having looked at your basket I think it is by Davidson. I have baskets in this pattern with the handles crossed both ways. The pattern on the basket is identical to mine which have the registration number. The handles were finished by hand so the way in which they were crossed was either a whim of the maker or possibly they were made in pairs – one crossed to the left and one to the right.

Davidson did not make much white glass after about 1890, so it is quite rare to find examples of these suites in white glass.

Incidentally the web site is wrong. This design is the 1892 suite, it was registered in 1891.

The Fenton pattern is slightly different. It has hobnails in between the daisy like flowers or stars.


Thought the part about the Fenton pattern might be of interest to others. ;)
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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2007, 08:10:34 AM »
Very interesting indeed -thanks for posting the extra info.

I can't see any intervening hobnails between the daisy like flowers on the Fenton version of this basket though - so I'll blame my fading eyesight  :) The Fenton basket looks exactly like the Davidson one to me - but as I say, maybe it's just my rotten eyesight. There's a Fenton one on eBay at the moment.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130079567330

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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2007, 08:28:02 AM »
A quick addition - I understand Fenton made their Daisy & Button items in milk glass in the 1960s-70s ("Fenton Special Orders - 1940-80" - Walk).
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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2007, 08:50:35 AM »
Here's a completed eBay auction for the Fenton "Oval English Basket"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250084364312

You'll notice that it is in blue - a lovely deep sapphire shade. It's Fenton's "Colonial Blue" colour. If you go to the page on Chris's website that Anne gave us the link to, you'll see the basket he shows is virtually identical.
http://www.cloudglass.com/VictorianOther.htm

EDITED TO ADD: the handles on the Fenton items may also cross differently - there are two baskets shown in the John Walk book I mentioned above: one is red (Colonial Orange) and the other blue (Colonial Blue). The red one has its handles crossing to the left, the blue one has them almost straight and as you'll see, the eBay link I've given in this posting has them crossing to the right.
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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2007, 09:08:49 AM »
Hi All,

I was not aware that Fenton had bought the Davidson mould and had been reproducing this basket. If this is indeed the case then I guess the only sure way of identifying Davidson baskets is to check whether it has a registered designed number on it. I assume Fenton would have removed it.....

White could have been made by Davidson. Red certainly not. As far as I am aware Davidson did not make red glass for domestic glassware until after WWII. Prior to that it was only used in lenses.

I must admit I was thinking of 'Hobnail and star' when I wrote the email - different pattern entirely.

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Re: Crack or Flaw
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2007, 09:09:06 AM »
The Fenton pattern is slightly different. It has hobnails in between the daisy like flowers or stars. Thought the part about the Fenton pattern might be of interest to others. ;)

My final posting on this for now :)

With regard to the above observation, it's absolutely correct for most of the items in Fenton's Daisy & Button line (which actually metamorphosed into their Olde Virginia Glass / OVG line, in the 1970s). The clue is in the pattern name! - daisy like stars and buttons (hobs). But the basket we're discussing (the "Oval English Basket")- although always shown as part of the Daisy & Button line, does not have the hob/button motifs. It is identical (to my sore eyes) to the original Davidson basket.

None of this proves one way or another whether the basket we're discussing was made by Davidson or Fenton. All it shows (to me at least) is that the baskets are more or less identical. If a piece has the RD on it then it's Davidson. If it's in pearline, then it's Davidson. If it's red/orange, then it's Fenton. Beyond that, then I think we are not able to say on the evidence presented so far. Or have I totally lost the plot? :)
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