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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: jeanniegal on January 17, 2011, 03:06:29 AM
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i have lovely pair of candle sticks but they are quite different..... the one on the left is lighter and has a reg. mark underneath reg no. 796007 and is hollowed out.... the second one (right) is heavier and more sharply cut like crystal it has a flat base and no.reg just smooth and plain with an outer ridge.Both measure 7in H X 4.5in W.Appreciate it.Thanx ;)
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jeanniegal — 796007 is shown in the blue book as registration date 28 August 1934 by Heppner Ltd, almost certainly an agent, factor or importer. Hopefully someone may know more about this company. A close-up of the registration mark may help, as someone might recognise the font.
HTH,
Bernard C. 8)
ps — your thumbnail image doesn't enlarge.
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Libochovice Glassworks, patt.no.1691.
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Libochovice Glassworks, pa :hiclptt.no.1691.
Thankyou Anne, and the other one is that a different maker or older? I shall av a butchers at the Libochovice site. :thup:
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My matching pair shown both had the impressed reg.no. on.
For further info see t'other Anne's excellent website http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms15/ and Marcus' excellent website http://www.sklounion.com/ :thup:
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Larger images would help us figure this out Jeanniegal. (Send me biggies if you want them sorting and adding. :thup:) This is one of my favourite candlesticks!
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Larger images would help us figure this out Jeanniegal. (Send me biggies if you want them sorting and adding. :thup:) This is one of my favourite candlesticks!
Anne, :D i love these candlesticks i bought the reg.no one at a boot fair about 3 years ago and then the following year at another boot fair the other one,i will send biggies....and Anne "great minds think alike" OK here come the biggies..... :X:
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Well done lass! :) Is the right hand one frosted between the ridged bits as well?
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Well done lass! :) Is the right hand one frosted between the ridged bits as well?
no thats plain and heavier and clearer and sharper and flater underneath.. ill post more tomorrow. i'm getting good at this :-X
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no thats plain and heavier and clearer and sharper and flater underneath.. ill post more tomorrow. i'm getting good at this :-X
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:D :D
i think thats it both are on :thup:
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That second one still looks frosted Jeanniegal as you can't see the table clearly behind it - are the bits between the ridges like a cloudy white rather than completely clear glass?
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That second one still looks frosted Jeanniegal as you can't see the table clearly behind it - are the bits between the ridges like a cloudy white rather than completely clear glass?
yes between the ridges its cloudy/frosted and its heavier more like crystal glass.What doyou think Anne is one an imitation of the other?
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No I don't think so, I think these are both made by the same firm; t'other Anne said above, "Libochovice Glassworks, patt.no.1691." which is true as they are shown in the 1950s Libochovice catalogue as such, but the Reg Design no dates from 1934 registered by Heppner Ltd (who were agents not manufacturers, as Bernard also says above.)
In 1934 the company wasn't Libochovice (which was a post-war Sklo Union factory name - i.e. part of the state owned glass conglomeration marketed under the Sklo Union name). It was then Feigl & Morawitz (info courtesy of Sklo Union Art Before Industry: 20th Century Czech Pressed Glass, by Marcus Newhall) and so far we have seen only one earlier (from the 1920s) catalogue for them.
As to numbers not being on every piece of a pattern, David C Watts, author of Glassmaking in London, explained to me last year that in his experience only around 1 in 4 moulds carried the RD no information. Bernard has also told us elsewhere on the board that some wholesale or retail customers didn't want anything on the pieces they bought to indicate who had made it, and the glassworks were always willing to oblige in the interest of a sale.
Variations could well have been made in glass and possibly crystal for different customers and not all those variants are shown in catalogues. Regular lines would be of course, but if something was made just for one buyer then it may not show up anywhere else.
F&M / Libochovice are known to have made a wide range of glass from fairly basic utility glass to high quality well-finished glassware so anything's possible. My opinion (for what it's worth!) is that both your items are genuine but I can't prove it as yet.
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No I don't think so, I think these are both made by the same firm; t'other Anne said above, "Libochovice Glassworks, patt.no.1691." which is true as they are shown in the 1950s Libochovice catalogue as such, but the Reg Design no dates from 1934 registered by Heppner Ltd (who were agents not manufacturers, as Bernard also says above.)
In 1934 the company wasn't Libochovice (which was a post-war Sklo Union factory name - i.e. part of the state owned glass conglomeration marketed under the Sklo Union name). It was then Feigl & Morawitz (info courtesy of Sklo Union Art Before Industry: 20th Century Czech Pressed Glass, by Marcus Newhall) and so far we have seen only one earlier (from the 1920s) catalogue for them.
As to numbers not being on every piece of a pattern, David C Watts, author of Glassmaking in London, explained to me last year that in his experience only around 1 in 4 moulds carried the RD no information. Bernard has also told us elsewhere on the board that some wholesale or retail customers didn't want anything on the pieces they bought to indicate who had made it, and the glassworks were always willing to oblige in the interest of a sale.
Variations could well have been made in glass and possibly crystal for different customers and not all those variants are shown in catalogues. Regular lines would be of course, but if something was made just for one buyer then it may not show up anywhere else.
F&M / Libochovice are known to have made a wide range of glass from fairly basic utility glass to high quality well-finished glassware so anything's possible. My opinion (for what it's worth!) is that both your items are genuine but I can't prove it as yet.
:thup: thankyou and very interesting.....
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Thought Anne in particular would like this picture of my Libochovice trinket set which I have at last completed.
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Oh that is gorgeous!!! Thank you for sharing your picture. I have most of the set in clear, but the blue is fab!
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Ohh lovely! Jealous! :)
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Again Pamela if you would like to use this picture on your website you are welcome. I can give you more detailed ones if you would like. :)
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Thank you, Angela - pretty set and I shall use this photo too :)
It's on Newhall CD L. before 1958 items #1690 - 1694
Is your set also marked 796007 (importer's registration?) white candlestick holder (http://pressglas-pavillon.de/kerzenhalter/04853.html)
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Forgot to mention: Libochovice catalogue 1934-39 indicates the name DUBARRY for this set :D
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That's interesting, Pamela, as Dubarry were a perfume manufacturer as well I think?
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yes my set has the registration mark :) I didn't know it was called Dubarry thanks for that!!
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The frosted ones are super! Mods to add ID to title please? (also mentioned as part of the Dubarry set?)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48358.msg273866.html#msg273866
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Done as requested, and topics merged. :)