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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: rosieposie on August 09, 2008, 06:58:12 PM
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Is there anyone who can settle a debate I am having?
This is currently for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110275720549
and I would like to know if it really is what it says, or is it a Dartington Crystal ring tree, photographed upside down??
I have looked at several Dartington Ring Trees, and they look exactly like this, in fact, I printed them out and turned them the same way up to see, and lo and behold!!
Any opinions out there??
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Believe me, it is a ringholder. I have one exactly the same at home and bought it brand new quit a few years ago. I believe there is a tall one as well for necklaces.
I also own 3 pennylicks and they look quite different.
Hope it settles the argument!
Patricia
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Thanks for that Patricia, nice to know I'm not losing my marbles!! (well they are glass, so perhaps I had better start collecting them!)
The debate is actually with the seller!! I have sent him pictures of the Dartington ring holder, but he hasn't changed the listing!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! >:D
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Just tell the seller to go to Dartington on eBay and he can buy quite a few "rare Victorian pennylicks", tall and short within the next couple of days!
Looking once again at the bottom of my ringtree I'd hate to lick icecream from it, that is if I would like to be able to keep on talking....
Patricia
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What is a pennylick?
I'd google it but I am afraid of what the results might be :-\
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When just over a hundred years ago the Italians started to roam all over Europe trying to sell their icecream of course they did not have cones as we do today.
They had little crude glasses looking like liqueur glasses but much shallower in which they put icecream with a spatula. There were different sizes, there was a one pennylick (VERY shallow, you paid one penny and got one lick) or a bit bigger 2 pennylick (enough for twice the fun).
After use the glass was rinsed in water ready for the next customer, not very hygienic of course and I read somewhere that the government put a stop to the whole event in 1917 with the outbreak of the Spanish flu.
So far these glasses only show up in England and I inherited mine from a girlfriend in case you all wonder if I'm hiding another collection here besides my hyacinth vases.
She was the one however who explained the whole story to me.
Patricia
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I have already done what you suggested Patricia, but he won't change the listing.
Thank heavens for Askeys edible wafer cones!!
The chap has 4 bids now!.....I can't believe it, unless the bidders really know what it is!
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I emailed him to let him know what it was...no response
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He's sold it for £28 78!! What should we do Christine, inform the buyer?
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Not much we can do!
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Not much we can do!
Yes there is...start listing your 'five pronged ultra-rare penny licks' now! >:D
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I brought one at a car boot a few years back & was convinced it was a very unstable glass, to be fair it was sold standing that way up ;D
I did feel a bit of a fool when i found out, I sold it as Dartinton ring holder i believe i got 20 something so the price is not to far away
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I have informed the buyer, and I hope he takes this seller to task, as I think he knew it wasn't a 'penny lick' when he listed it, and certainly had ample opportunity to change the listing before sale ended.
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I have informed the buyer, and I hope he takes this seller to task, as I think he knew it wasn't a 'penny lick' when he listed it, and certainly had ample opportunity to change the listing before sale ended.
Rosie - do be careful, this could be construed as 'auction interference'. Whilst I agree entirely that this seller was wrong not to change the listing when presented with your proof, in fact many of us on this board also contact sellers on eBay to help with correcting mistakes and misattributions, but to contact their buyer after the sale has ended is something else altogether and really not to be advised. Personally, I usually inform the seller if I think they've made a glaring mistake and then just leave it - it's their conscience that has to live with it.
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Thanks for your advice Pip......I will be careful, promise.
Now, this is quite spooky...........but ABSOLUTELY true! :angel:
I was giving a Crystal Therapy Treatment this morning when I went to the cabinet to get some crystals out, and as I looked at the top shelf, I was stopped in my tracks...............I noticed this, [pic 1]which I have had for years, my sister found it in a charity shop, and gave it to me to put one of my larger spheres on!
I took it out of the cabinet and looked at it in more detail.[pic2]
Have I got a Dartington ring tree? [pic3].
Or is it a rare 'penny lick'? [pic4]
This is the ABSOLUTE truth :angel:.........I can't believe I had one all the time!!! ;D
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wonderful, Rosie !
Buyer is obviously generous regarding shape of penny lick :-X
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280249863368
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It's true, I was stunned!! :o
Not too sure that the second one is a penny lick either. I think it would look lovely with a few flowers or a small bulb in it?
By the way, if you can use the pictures of the Ring Holder (either way up!) for your Presglass pavillion ( I know it isn't pressed glass), then please feel free.
Oh this has been a great day......I will dine out on this for ages! :clap:
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Sorry Pamela, I keep spelling pressglas wrong!! It's an 'age' thing!
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That second one is a cheap modern crocus vase! I'd like to see anyone get their tongue to the bottom!!!!!!!!! I suppose they go with the upside down candlestick bowls http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110278596381 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110278596381)and the ringtree preserve disheshttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110278596948 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110278596948) I found last week
Rosie, I think your pennylick is a Frank Thrower one. I'll look it up when I get home.
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I am pretty certain it is Christine.....I just can't believe that I didn't realise I had one all the time!
There was me incensed at the thought that this eBayer had been duped!
Why don't eBay have a team of people (experts like yourselves perhaps) checking the listing for blatantly phoney items?
On a few occasions, I have been known to email a seller to help with identification, or spelling, (Wegdewood for instance!).
Perhaps I shouldn't, but I would like to be helped if I were selling on eBay. I just seem to buy, buy, buy!! Then dust, dust, dust!
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Christine, I think we were writing at the same time, and so I have only just seen your additional pictures!!!
The saddest thing is, if you go to that sellers 'completed' listings, you can see that this was a complete trinket set, that they have broken up to sell, and now the set is split up, probably forever, and one lpoor little dish hasn't been sold, and I think that is just AWFUL! Some people spend years trying to match up sets that have been separated......it is as bad as breaking up books to make framed pictures.....sacrilege!!! :spls: :spls: :spls:
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Rosie, I have just read that ONLY on eBay.de 18 million articles are availaible ! (for those who read German: www.wortfilter.de !!) How could they have experts for the goods offered worldwide? They only have experts in printing money >:D ::) :-X
But still I think, with a little intuition - and you seem rich of that - it's a place to find what looking for - if you know what I mean..
Sorry for my English, I repeat: school is long ago :angel:
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Oh Pamela, if I could speak your language as well as you speak mine I would be a happy person!!
I do speak Swahili though......not many do these days!!
You are right, there are millions of items listed......perhaps I should be more realistic!
Hope you have enjoyed this 'Penny Lick' story..............I have!
I hope the seller gets his money back.......
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money back if wanted by the buyer or seller? I vote for the buyer if he/she realizes at all - which I suspect :D
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It's been a loooooooooooooong day................I meant the BUYER!!! :-[ Yes, the buyer does know, Pamela.
Incidentally, is the GMB clock correct?? It seems to be running a bit on the early side? Or is it me??
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At the risk of being dumped into the Cafe (or just deleted), I will offer a reply to the question:
Why don't eBay have a team of people (experts like yourselves perhaps) checking the listing for blatantly phoney items?
Because eBay are not interested in truth - just profits.
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That mustn't stop us trying to put things right though, must it?
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So long as topics don't breach board guidelines Rosie. :)
Is the server time out again? I'll go hassle the techs about it (again!) Thanks for the heads up! ;)
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I was giving a Crystal Therapy Treatment this morning when I went to the cabinet to get some crystals out, and as I looked at the top shelf, I was stopped in my tracks...............I noticed this, [pic 1]which I have had for years, my sister found it in a charity shop, and gave it to me to put one of my larger spheres on!
A similar thing happened to me. My fiance (now my husband of 20 years) and I spent days and days trying to find a crystal pattern that we liked to register for. Finally found a loved etched (not cut) crystal glass with thistles on it by Bohemian Glass. Went over to my Mum and Dad's for dinner on the weekend, and what should I see in her china cabinet, but three parfait glasses with the same design.
Turns out my grandparents had similar tastes, back in 1918 (ish) when they got married. :chky: :chky:
Carolyn
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Just harking back to the mention of someone looking into wrongly listed items, and still on the subject of 'penny licks', would you think this is a 'penny lick', it is listed as one, with a little aside to say it might have been an eye bath.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230284611244
or as a nurse, am I correct in thinking this is a load of eyewash!?
I think I might have one of these as well, in blue!
Can we have a smiley for 'tearing your hair out' please!!?
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Looks more like an eyebath to me Rosie.
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My thoughts entirely.......aren't we astute!? ;)
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I'm not entirely sure about the phrase "when ice cream was first invented" - apart from the tautology, I rather think ice cream has been around longer than penny licks!
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Being a mad Dartington collector I love this thread - can a 101 alternative uses be found for a Frank Thrower ring tree?
My possible suggestions are: substitute chess piece...royal patented miniature biscuit cutter....
I have seen one photgraphed upside down before in an auction. However, it was a New Zealand auction site so I guess they are quite entitled to photograph it that way round!
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want another laugh peeps :D check THIS listing out http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110286327871&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:GB:1123
I thought the Dartington penny lick errrrrm ring tree was funny....but this................
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Actually dinklepip (what a wonderful name! ;)), This is a twopenny lick! Do you think we should let him know?
I have got one of these, in green, and I always thought it was Krosno? Anybody confirm this??
I always seem to have one of whatever we are discussing, but then I do have got a LOT of glass!!!! ;)
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Being a mad Dartington collector I love this thread - can a 101 alternative uses be found for a Frank Thrower ring tree?
I was thinking that you could use this as a daisy maker.....I have one in brass (yeah, yeah, I know!!) that you use to make crochet daisies, but glass would be so 'Chic'!! 8)
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Actually dinklepip (what a wonderful name! ;)), This is a twopenny lick! Do you think we should let him know?
I have got one of these, in green, and I always thought it was Krosno? Anybody confirm this??
I always seem to have one of whatever we are discussing, but then I do have got a LOT of glass!!!! ;)
o blimey you learn summat new every day, I didn't know that,just thought it was summat cheap and cheerful from a cheepy gift shop.....see loads of em here ;D
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o blimey you learn summat new every day, I didn't know that,just thought it was summat cheap and cheerful from a cheepy gift shop.....see loads of em here
You could well be right, especially if I tell you it was given to me by my Son-in-Law!! (And it came in a plain brown cardboard box!!) >:D
Where are all the GMB members today? I expected lots more info about this Tazza/Comport.
And lots of suggestions for alternative uses for the Penny lick/Ring holder. :o
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I was thinking that you could use this as a daisy maker.....I have one in brass (yeah, yeah, I know!!) that you use to make crochet daisies ...
That's interesting. Why (and how) would a "tool" like that be used for crochet work? Strange as it may seem [and don't tell anyone!!] but I can crochet. :o The only "tools", other than the right hook for the job, I have used were pins for laying out larger items for drying after the first wash to set the shape.
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"Ornate Loetz......" my **** ! ;D ;D ;D
http://www.jozefina.pl/15E.html Krosno ;)
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Firstly, Anne EB.......did a Global Moderator intervene here, or where you being polite? :angel:
Kev....no I won't tell anyone........yet! >:D
This is what the daisy maker makes, and you can either sew them on as daisies or incorporate them into the crochet pattern. I will take a picture of the daisy maker tomorrow when I photograph the butterfly dish I have been promising to do. OK?
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Certified? Yes ;D. Moderated? No ;D. (But there's always a first time ;)) ;D
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Anne EB, Please can you get on and suggest another use for the Dartington Penny Lick/Ring Holder.....all this frivolity is getting us nowhere!! >:( (Oops, sorry, I lapsed into 'Matron' role for a moment!) :-[
I did think that a fairies' dolly-tub clothes washer would be a good one, but that does show my age!!
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A Hula Hoops crisp dispenser.
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For interest, a Whitefriars ring holder (1980 cat.) with a flat base.
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Wow Anne EB, obviously pulling 'Matron' Rank on you has made you pull out all the stops! I love the Hula Hoops dispenser idea......I will bring mine out and use it at the next party!!
Certainly couldn't confuse the Whitefriars one with a penny lick, there's nowhere to put the ice cream, BUT, if you had one of each type, you could put wine in the Dartington one and the wafers on the Whitefriars......or is that sacriligious.....well it is nearly Sunday. :angel:
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Speaking of your **** Anne if i dare , i thought the ring tree was a proctologists dilator . :chky: guess what spell check just gave me parasiteologist for proctologist there is a lot of them on ebay .
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I'll add that one to the list johnphillip! :o
Spell check has a lot to answer for! So have you Anne EB!!
So far we have 9, 4 of which I have given! This is not good enough.
I will check back later. >:D
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Methinks this topic is heading Cafe-wards! >:D
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I wish I had put money on your saying this Anne!!!! :o
Just can't believe you have let us drivel on for so long!! :o
I'll have a latte with one sugar,AnneEB, johnphillip, KevH and dinklepip!! ;) See you there! :chky:
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It's the weekend Rosie, I'm feeling mellow and generous! :P
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Ah, Bless! Go and have a look at my Barolac pictures just posted Anne, you deserve a treat!! :angel:
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As promised, (or should that be threatened!) here are the pictures of my brass daisy maker.
I have included a picture with a cheap and nasty modern plastic one for comparison! :o
PS. there are three new Dartington ring holders on eBay at the moment if anybody wants to buy and then sell on as an "Ultra Rare Penny Lick!!"
Night night! :angel:
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I had/have one of those brass one somewhere but never knew what it was for Rosie. Thanks for solving a long-standing puzzle for me. :)
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Ah well there you are Anne, isn't it just as well you were feeling mellow and generous!!? :angel:
Now, do you know how to use it?! ;)
Mine was given to me by a lovely lady I was nursing in the 60's. She was making a little blue and white Christening jacket with it. It was like little white lacy cobwebs with pale blue edging. I had just learned to crochet, and was entranced by the delicacy of the jacket. She was dying, and gave me the daisy maker on the understanding that I finished the jacket for her.
These topic threads take us to wonderful places don't they? :)
Has anybody correctly identified the wonderful 'Loetz' Tazza/comport yet? I am aching to email the seller with the proverbial "Get it off!" (a Scrabble term!) >:D...........ooooooooh! and there's another 'spanner in the works' for the Dartington - Thrower thread......must get over there and leave that one this morning! :chky:
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Yes, the tazza thingy has been ID'd, scroll up to Anne EB
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Oh Christine, I'm sorry, I didn't see that link.....I was laughing so much!! I thought mine was Krosno piece, just didn't realise it was Józefina.
Where is KevH??? I expected some input for the brass Daisy Maker!?
I LOVE this thread................... >:D
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I'm here! But I wasn't here for most of the last couple of days.
Hmmm ... the daisy maker has me just as baffled as the recent discussion on the patent for an odd-looking glass former!
Maybe it's all very straightforward and time saving. But since crochet is essentially the addiing of successive individual loops of thread to ones already formed, why use a former of any kind?
As a general concept: A daisy (or rose, or other floral pattern) can be made with a simple circle as the start point with triple-crochet lengths added all the way around the circle. Add a further row (or rows) of triple-crochet lengths to extend the size of the base as required. [Using triple-crochet lengths rather than longer ones will make the finished item more "stable".] Follow this with open loops of a desired size to form the outlines of petals around the edge of the base. The petals can be just open loops or can be more complex with partially filled areas. Tie off. Now work a series of triple-crochets (or double-crochets, if more convenient) into the initial circle such that this forms a new layer over the first. Then work extensions and petal-loops as before but make them such that the diameter of the new layer is smaller than that of the previous one. Repeat for as many layers as is suitable for the type of flower. Use different coloured thread for the centre, extensions and petals to make it look really cool.
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Well KevH, this doesn't happen very often, so make the most of it.....I am :spls:!!!
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Sorry, Rosie, you have lost me - what does not happen very often?
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Being speechless!!! ::)
Oh KevH, look what I have found on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Daisy-Maker-with-instructions-patterns_W0QQitemZ200251917259QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200251917259
Now you can have one for yourself, and see what fun they are!! :hiclp:
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LOOK! LOOK! LOOK! I have just found this!!!
Just for you KevH....... http://crochet4you1.tripod.com/136.htm
That is the baby coat pattern I was making!!! Have I just given my age away!!? :o
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And this one!!! http://willowvalleystore.typepad.com/willowvalleystore/2008/04/my-robotic-sea.html
Help Anne, get me out of here!! >:D
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Ah! I see. ;D
But, being a slightly pedantic sort of person, surely, daisy patterns made that way are not crocheted in the true sense as was suggested: ... a daisy maker... that you use to make crochet daisies ...
That form of construction is more like the "pin art" of the 1970s, where pictures were formed by winding thread around small nails / pins hammered through a paper template (which was later removed) and into a wooden base usally first covered with black felt [but not to be confused with the "3D pin art" of the 1980s that appears to be making a comeback in some places].
However, I accept that in crochet work, "long loops" can be used to form a more "open pattern", but the "solidity" of the pattern would be achieved by using a thicker thread or combining "chains" together, rather than winding several loops of thread around a "former".
I put it to the jury that "daisy makers" of the type discussed do not produce "crochet daisies", even if the separate products can be incorporated into a crocheted object.
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That's quite true Kev, being a crocheting person (as opposed to a crotchety person! >:D) also, I've made a fair few crocheted daisies in my time! :)
Mine were done with a fine crochet hook and built up into quite fancy multi-petal flowers quite different from the type made on the daisy-maker Rosie is talking about.
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Yes KevH, if you go by what I originally said, then you are correct, but I did go on to qualify it later with:-
This is what the daisy maker makes, and you can either sew them on as daisies or incorporate them into the crochet pattern.
Now it is my turn to get pedantic!!! >:D
I didnt say that they were crocheted daisies, only that when made thay could be INCORPORATED into the crochet pattern.
Is this how wars are started.........? Shall we start a cofee war? Oh what a tangled 'thread' we weave...
Before we lose sight of the reason for mentioning this, we must remember that it was a light hearted gesture towards the alternative uses of the 'Penny Lick', and seemed a less painful and more lady-like use than some of the uses mentioned. :o
Should we digress to the 'ins and outs' of proctology mayhap? Now as a nurse, that is something I have had a hand in, if you know what I mean...... :spls:
Incidentally, I used to make 3D pin art in the 80's.......one was a yacht, and a DAISY....oh no, now we are back where we started!!
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Now it is my turn to get pedantic!!!
I didnt say that they were crocheted daisies, only that when made thay could be INCORPORATED into the crochet pattern.
Is this how wars are started.........? Shall we start a cofee war? Oh what a tangled 'thread' we weave...
Rosie, it sounds to me that my responses may have caused you some irritation. Sorry if that is the case but it was not intended. Your image and the links you provided were very useful in helping me see what was meant. But, you did originally say they were crochet daisies and your follow-up did not change that statement.
No wars starting on my part, I assure you.
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Oh no KevH, I am not irritated in the least! :-* Truly! :angel:
This is all just good fun, and amazing how threads can 'weave' in and out of very diverse patterns of conversation.
So, the real question is, can you use the Ultra Rare Penny Lick/Dartington Ring Holder to weave Daisies for incorporating into crochet work as you would with a genuine Brass Daisy Maker?
As I posses both, perhaps it is incumbent upon me to try, but, only on the clear understanding that johnphillip demonstrates his suggested use, :o and Skegby73 makes the biscuits and meets me in the cafe for a game of chess!! KevH, you can referee!!? :chky:
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Rosie, I think the sort of ringholder one needs for this might be the kind I found recently... it has handy balls around which one could loop the thread. >:D
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Nice bit of lateral thinking there Anne ;D....Handy balls are always.................................................handy?
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Ah! I see. ;D
But, being a slightly pedantic sort of person, surely, daisy patterns made that way are not crocheted in the true sense as was suggested: ... a daisy maker... that you use to make crochet daisies ...
That form of construction is more like the "pin art" of the 1970s, where pictures were formed by winding thread around small nails / pins hammered through a paper template (which was later removed) and into a wooden base usally first covered with black felt [but not to be confused with the "3D pin art" of the 1980s that appears to be making a comeback in some places].
How could I possibly have missed the development of this thread!?!?! Firstly, a daisy maker, what a good idea - I need one - that link Rosie gave on eBay - dang it, someone's bought it!
As for the pin-art pictures of the 1960s/70s - I LOVE these - I saw a wicked Butterfly one in a chariddy shop recently but it was a tad overpriced so I didn't buy it (hubby wouldn't let me actually - booo hiss). They always make me think about a television documentary about the life of George Best that we saw fairly recently. When he first went to play for Man United he lodged with a nice old lady (I forget her name) and they showed footage of George being brought a cup of tea by his landlady whilst he's sitting in her living room making a pin-art picture! Those were the days eh - when top flight footballers lodged with old ladies and made pin-art pictures in their spare time...
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Hello Pip, so glad you dropped by ;D.......do you take sugar? Do have one of Skegby's biscuits!! :)
Have you got any alternative uses to suggest?......a minimum of three per person is required.
Yes, I had the Daisy Maker on watch, and the next thing I knew was it was gone......I was going to buy it for KevH as a little peace offering!!! >:D
Anne, hide that ring holder, remember, I collect green glass!
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A coat stand for a dolls house perhaps?
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Excellent!!!.....have another biscuit Pip!! :clap:
I had thought perhaps a miniature bird bath (prongs down of course!) for one of those little miniature gardens that children make for flower show competitions.
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Are you still there Pip? If you go to this link
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/_W0QQLHQ5fPrefLocZ2QQ_fromZR46?_nkw=daisy+loom&_fromfsb=0&_trksid=m270.l1313
You will get a nice surprise. ;)
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And for you KevH >:D
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1971-Hot-Pants-Jordan-Fairchild-Daisy-Loom-LHJ-AD_W0QQitemZ150278771624
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Hmmmm I'm not sure they're Kev's colour somehow....
>:D
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:o OMG - crocheted hot pants - now there's a thing! It's a look very few can carry off successfully (not even the alleged 'cute famous model' on the pattern cover!)
I did joke with my OH once that I'd knit him a suit - now I'm thinking that a pattern for a knitted suit probably does exist somewhere!
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Anne, black and white is the new red you know, and soooooooooooooo classic. ;)
KevH could always knit a large Afghan to wear over it .........Come on KevH, you know Afghan stitch......a cross between crochet and knitting? (No daisies involved here!).
Ok Pip, here's the challenge.........the first to find a knitting pattern for a mans suit......are you up for it? :clap:
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you're on...