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Title: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: Anik R on March 17, 2012, 09:56:02 AM

I've got an ashtray which is very similar (if not the same) in style to my Wiedmann ball candleholders.  Neither the candleholders nor the ashtray are in the Gralglas Deutsches Design 1930-1981 book. 


I'm rather confident that my ashtray is Gralglas, but would appreciate confirmation (and a few kind words). The ashtray is 15cm wide, 6cm high and weighs 1417g.  There is a polished concave pontil mark on the base.


... it's very attractive, even though it is an ashtray. 


Thank you for looking.

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 17, 2012, 12:44:04 PM

It looks exactly right to me, Anik  :-*
I don't know about Gralglas, but it's Karl Wiedmann as far as my lusting guts are concerned!

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: Anik R on March 17, 2012, 01:31:54 PM

Sue, I like what your lusting guts have to say. ;D    When I bought the ashtray a few weeks ago and showed Dirk a photo, he also thought it had a Wiedmann look to it.  But he also added that the technique is not exclusive to Wiedmann or Gralglas, hence my desire to find proof.

It does look fabulous displayed by my four ball candleholders though.

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 17, 2012, 01:34:45 PM

I feel others may use this technique - but not to the same gut-wrenching effect as Karl Wiedmann can.
 8)

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: dirk. on March 17, 2012, 02:23:37 PM

... and now - hand it over!  :-*

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: Anik R on March 17, 2012, 06:55:14 PM

I'm feeling mighty pleased with these lovely sentiments of slight envy. ;D

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: dirk. on March 18, 2012, 07:26:55 AM

It´s a great addition to your collection, Anik, and I love it!
The more I look at your pictures the less I doubt it must be Wiedmann indeed.
Have you managed to take a look at the Gral Cd?

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: Anik R on March 18, 2012, 02:10:28 PM

Hi Dirk, I have looked at the CD, but had no luck finding the ashtray. I wonder why the Gralglas book and CD give so little space to Karl Wiedmann?  :-\

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: rocco on March 18, 2012, 02:27:01 PM

Anik, another beautiful piece.
Seeing the ashtray next to your candle holders I wouldn't have the slightest problem attributing it to Wiedmann...

Michael

edit:
just saw this (http://www.ebay.de/itm/SUPER-MURANO-PINGUIN-GRAL-fast-4-Kilo-/251020269759?pt=De_Haus_Garten_GedeckterTisch_Glaswaren_Geschirr&hash=item3a71f958bf) on ebay, Anik -- wouldn't a Beranek-like bird from Gralglas fit into your collection? ;D

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 18, 2012, 02:38:30 PM

Perhaps the author wants it all for him/er self?
Doesn't want anybody else to know about it?

This happens, you know!

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: Anik R on March 18, 2012, 04:51:34 PM

Michael, thank you for the kind words.  By the way, I love the bird -- I bid on one last week, but the price went much higher than I was able to pay.  Maybe one day...

Sue, I suppose what you say is possible, but the Gralglas book was published by Museum Kunstpalast.  Both the book and the CD include catalogues -- I'm just wondering why Wiedmann's beautiful candleholders (or this ashtray) aren't anywhere to be found. 

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 18, 2012, 04:54:44 PM

 ???
I have no idea, then.

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: flying free on April 14, 2012, 10:53:00 AM

I'm going to make a stupid observation now as I haven't done a check before I ask, but were these definitely Karl Wiedmann for Gralglas or were they design he did for WMF maybe?
m

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: dirk. on April 14, 2012, 03:38:04 PM

Anik´s candleholders with the same decoration were positively identified by
Günther Hofmann, another important Gralglas designer, during a phone call
I had with him last year.
There also comes a similar vase. Unfortunately these objects don´t seem to
be covered in Gralglas book, but perhaps they are shown in the Wiedmann
exhibition catalogue - which escapes me for ages now...  :(

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: flying free on April 14, 2012, 10:21:43 PM

thanks Dirk, I should have checked before asking  :)
m

Title: Re: Karl Wiedmann ashtray for Gralglas?
Post by: dirk. on April 15, 2012, 02:53:21 PM

You´re always welcome to ask, m!  :-*