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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: stevetheb on November 27, 2006, 01:15:39 PM
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Anyone point in in the direction of a maker for this vase..?
It's about 22 cms tall and pretty heavy.. The large fish on the front and the shoal swimming around the vase are cut into the glass...
http://www.kammneves.co.uk/fishvase.jpg
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Both the shape and the beveled edge point at Strömbergshyttan, but you'd expect it to be signed. Possibly the blank was made by them but the engraving done in one of the independent workshops?
In any case, the whole thing looks very Kingdom of Crystal...
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I may be barking up the wrong tree but take a look at this page from the 1960 Whitefriars catalogue.......
http://www.whitefriarsorg.org/memb1/cat-60/p32.jpg
Yours looks similar to the one on the left at the bottom. It wouldn't have been signed most likely.....it doesn't give the height either, but if you think it is similar, why not put it on whitefriars.com where you may find someone who has actually got a Whitefriars version and could give a better opinion. I have not actually seen or held a W/F version, so can't really give a definitive opinion. Emmi
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The WF cat gives the height as 8.5" (It's next to the drawn diagram).
So the height is about right. My guess would be WF.
I love WF's 1960s cut glass, but it so rarely comes up for sale.
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Oh bother another maker who copied the beveled edge <sigh>
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Thanks Emmi and Nic for the id... I'm pretty certain you're both right... So I guess I didn't over pay for £4 then!
Wonders if my luck will hold with my next item I'm about to post....
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Can't wait!!!...and I'll give you 5 !!!! Emmi
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Is that a high 5 Emmi? 8)
Interesting to see the Whitefriars catalogue, I don't think I've ever seen the cut stuff in the flesh. Or maybe I have and didn't realise it was WF...
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I've only seen it once at an antique fair labelled as Strömbergshyttan with a £100 price tag.
I don't know how much WF cut vases are actually worth, but it was a little rich for my wallet.
*sigh*
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I think the Stromberg ones have a different type of fish if I remember rightly but they sure are very very similar. Gets confusing doesn't it? :? :? :?
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:D :D :D
Definitely WF.
I've got one 8.75" tall. The bevelled edge is not even. Apparently, they do come with differing numbers of fish in the shoal, the more the better. Mine has 28 little fishies.
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Hi Sue, lucky you. I don't suppose (if you have time) you could put a few good pictures as the catalogue one and the one posted here could be a bit more detailed. ! Thanks Emmi
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:cry:
Sorry, Emmi, I can't work Michael's new camera. :oops: It hasn't got a viewfinder bit, only a stupid screen thing that I cannot focus on, so I've no idea what I'm trying to take a picture of, and I can't work the computery stuff that goes with it either!
How many fish do other folk have?
I haven't yet found evidence of differing numbers of fish.
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Never mind Sue, no problem. Perhaps in the fullness of time?
Just goes to show though that my extensive catalogue browsing pays off...this vase is not exactly one which is easily and immediately recognised, so I am chuffed to have been of help and surprised that my memory was functioning at the right time!!!! It's not (my memory) that brilliant these days
:lol: :lol: Emmi
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One big fish... and 26 in the shoal..
Heres one new pic.. I rushed to take it during my lunch hour.. I'll try again when I have some time...
Oh and it's kind of big....
http://www.kammneves.co.uk/fishvase2.jpg
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:D I see you've put it with the Whitefriars pieces Steve! I did think WF when I saw the fishes, as I missed one on eBay ages ago. I realised that it was WF after I'd seen it and then couldn't find the darned thing again!! I was so cross!
I love engraved glass, and seeing the artists hand in it. It's something I find hard to resist - if I can afford it.
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Landscapes are more my thing.... but heres a few more...
http://www.kammneves.co.uk/fishvase/IMG_0040.jpg
http://www.kammneves.co.uk/fishvase/IMG_0041.jpg
http://www.kammneves.co.uk/fishvase/IMG_0042.jpg
http://www.kammneves.co.uk/fishvase/IMG_0043.jpg
Can I use artificial light to take better photos?
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Lovely photos.....nice to see it from all angles. I am not great photographer, but have found that with these Flint uncoloured vases, best agaianst a black background with a soft flash sometimes works very well. Seems to highlight the detail better. I also have an anglepoise lamp with a daylight bulb which also works well with these pieces and not always necessary to use any flash.
I am always experimenting with my very amateur equipment...still haven't got round to a proper "tent" or anything else for that matter. Emmi
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:shock: :shock: dose it make a diffrence taking pictures in a tent? :lol:
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Shocked Shocked dose it make a diffrence taking pictures in a tent? Laughing
Yes, especially if you've got a toggle :lol: :lol: :lol:
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So here is another kettle of fish on a smoke coloured vase.
As it came with several pieces of Holmegaard, and the seller told me it was, I assumed it to be Holmegaard.
But seeing the same type of fishy design on this WF piece makes me wonder.
HELP!
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4244
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So here is another kettle of fish on a smoke coloured vase.
As it came with several pieces of Holmegaard, and the seller told me it was, I assumed it to be Holmegaard.
But seeing the same type of fishy design on this WF piece makes me wonder.
HELP!
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4244
But your fishes don't have that Champhered top rim do they Ivo?
p.s. what is the difference between champhering and bevelling?
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:D :?
And you don't have a big fish/whale on the other side. Also, these wF fish are in a shoal, not all around the vase.
The fish design itself is very basic. I recently bought 6 cut tumblers with similar fish on them from TKMaxx, made by Krosno.
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But your fishes don't have that Champhered top rim do they Ivo? p.s. what is the difference between champhering and bevelling?
chamfering (′cham·fə·riŋ): (mechanical engineering) Machining operations to produce a beveled edge. Also known as beveling.
and a bevel is any other angle than 90 degs.
no the smoke vase is light blown glass, not thickwalled so there is no edge finish. And no the decoration does not strike me as "basic"...
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Ah right, so basically the two terms are interchangeable!
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Ivo, yours does not have the heavy base shape as do the W/F either, looks a lighter piece of glass altogether to me. Nice though. Can't say if it is Holmegaard or not as I do not know. Emmi
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You've picked the wrong man to make TOGGLE comments about... The word you're looking for is WOGGLE... and yep I was a WOGGLE wearer, indeed a professional wearer of woggles for 17 years.....
and if that dosen't make much sense to none Brits....A woggle is the name of the thing that Scouts (Boy Scouts, Pathfinders... ) wear to keep their scarf in place....
Nice fishy vase ...
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Re: Woggle versus toggle!!! Sorry, but I was never a woggler or a toggler or whatever, it just sounded OK - at least you knew what I was talking about :lol: :lol: Emmi
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You've picked the wrong man to make TOGGLE comments about... The word you're looking for is WOGGLE... and yep I was a WOGGLE wearer, indeed a professional wearer of woggles for 17 years.....
and if that dosen't make much sense to none Brits....A woggle is the name of the thing that Scouts (Boy Scouts, Pathfinders... ) wear to keep their scarf in place....
Nice fishy vase ...
But maybe you can use a toggle to keep your tent closed...
dib dib dib...
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It was dyb dyb dyb..... Do Your Best..... but that was pre 1966... way before my time of being in the Cub Scouts!
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I was talking phonetically.... you have to have a dibber with your toggles doncha know.
Now we had better shut up and give over highjacking this research thread....
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Actually it was dyb x3 dob x3, Do your best and do our best each 3 times. (The pack). What happened in 1966 :shock:
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yeah, what happened in 1966, I was only 11.....
:oops: :oops:
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Ok - according to the history books - apart from winning the World Cup... The Boy Scouts stopped being boys... and became The Scout Association... and the dyb dyb dyb thing was dropped to be replaced with a more up to date version!
But this is sooooooooo far away from discussing glass...
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In Canada, a woggle was called a toggle, and my brother did dib (or dyb) dib dib well into the '60's. :wink: :lol:
Carolyn
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If it was a London Scout, dib could be Do 'Is Best...
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Carolyn said
In Canada, a woggle was called a toggle,
Well there you go....I Knew my "toggle" was OK...must be my Canadian ancestry. Thank you Carolyn, my dignity restored!!! :lol: Emmi
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So here is another kettle of fish on a smoke coloured vase.
As it came with several pieces of Holmegaard, and the seller told me it was, I assumed it to be Holmegaard.
I agree that it's not Whitefriars.
But I'm not too sure about the Holmegaard attribution either. They signed most everything (aside from pressed glass, cased glass and some tableware), and even in the 70s when their output turned decidedly utilitarian and they stopped signing many things, they still seemed to take the effort to put a little scribble on the base when any kind of handcrafted effort went into producing it.
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Nic said
I agree that it's not Whitefriars.
Think you have put this on the wrong thread Nic? Emmi
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Nic said
I agree that it's not Whitefriars.
Think you have put this on the wrong thread Nic? Emmi
No, Emmi, you have to go back to page 2, Frank has one with a shoal but no whale (not my words....!! :lol: ) and no bevelled edge, so we all reckon that is not Whitefriars....
cos basically, before we got into toggles and woggles, this was a serious conversation about vases with fishes on...
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Ooops sorry - not too bright today am I? Must be this grim dull grey day we are having here!! And when a thread goes over more than 2 pages, I get totally lost!:? :? Emmi (poor old thing!)
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Well, it doesn't help that we only very just didn't get cafe'd I would think because of all the woggles.