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Title: date request please for 'Webb' beak vase.
Post by: Paul S. on June 01, 2010, 09:20:03 PM
Other than knowing that Holmegaard produced this style of vase in the very early '50's, my knowledge of 'beaker' pieces is zero.   Who made this one - and that it was between 1950 and 1966 - is very obvious because of the back stamp.    So my question is simply can anyone be a little more specific as to what date range did Webbs produce these vases.     Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the Webb's book that was mentioned the other day - 'Art, Feat and Mystery' - I think it is called, although these things may well not be included anyway.  Height is something very close to 320mm.    The final picture was what I thought was a quite good Monday morning. :)  
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: nigel benson on June 01, 2010, 10:25:11 PM
Hi Paul,

I don't think you'll find it in that book (I can't remember, but I don't think this range is in it) ....but it is in a handy little tome from Millers "Glass of the 50's & 60's, A Collector's Guide"  ;) ;) Page 18 refers to the "Flair" range by David Hammond and Stanley Eveson. It was introduced in 1962. There were a variety of different assymetric shapes, as well as versions of one or two production shapes.

Nigel

Also in Hajdamach, page 302 - "Flair Collection", introduced in January 1962.
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: Anne on June 01, 2010, 11:27:45 PM
but it is in a handy little tome from Millers "Glass of the 50's & 60's, A Collector's Guide"  ;) ;)

Paul, I'm going to add that Nigel is far to modest to mention that he is the author of the said handy little tome, and it's well-worth having on your bookshelf if you haven't got it already.  :thup:
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: Paul S. on June 02, 2010, 07:31:26 AM
my thanks to both of you  -  and yes, you are too modest Nigel.......if you don't blow your own trumpet occasionally, no one else will ;D    Sincere thanks for the help and information......in fact I don't have either book, but will now put that right.  On pay day last month I made a resolution to have a quiet month re buying books  -  so yesterday being the 1st what do I do, but succumb to the temptations of a second hand book shop...and yes, I came out a lot poorer :cry:, and they weren't even on glass!.     I really do like this beaker vase, you can just imagine the top as a Disney style of oversized beak gawping at you!    Anyway certainly a piece to be kept, and I will look out for some more.     thanks again.
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: David E on June 02, 2010, 07:49:55 AM
I have three of these in blue and green, two sizes (33cm and 22cm), plus a huge bowl in red*. As Nigel states, the Flair range was quite varied and also appeared to extend beyond the controlled bubble effect in the base (no, it's not featured in 'Art, Feat and Mystery'). The beaks also seem to vary in length - the small one I have is very stubby and the bubbles are confined to the base only and are not 'pulled' up the side.

*I still need an amber one to complete the set! >:D

Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: Paul S. on June 02, 2010, 08:32:38 AM
thanks for the interest David  -  I would imagine that like a lot of similar pieces, a group really do look so much better than odd ones (but I'm not going to part with my amber one - sorry ;))   Forgive my ignorance, but am I correct in thinking that designs such as these vases are 'swung', in order to achieve the stretched look?
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: David E on June 02, 2010, 08:37:59 AM
Not sure if they were swung, pulled, or a combination of both. Quite possibly they were stretched by swinging, but I would think the beaks would have to be pulled.
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: Paul S. on June 02, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
I notice that the 'www.glassyeye.com' site does make passing reference to the 'Flair Range'  -  but am I being a bit dim, I don't seem able to access any images, all the boxes are blank.    Have I done something wrong - I'm not very computer literate :-[
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: David E on June 02, 2010, 02:41:42 PM
I've made changes to that page, but it still isn't showing the top two images properly. However, there is no Flair image because I haven't found the time to take the photo and upload it. Sadly, I haven't that much time to keep on top of this site, but it only appears to affect those two images. Very odd.
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: nigel benson on June 02, 2010, 04:49:01 PM
Hi,

Thank you, Anne and Paul - but don't forget there are one or two typos and at least two glaring mistakes (eg. Knobberly!!! and Pukeberg??? solifleur, etc..... :-[).

Strictly speaking, I think the use of 'beaker' should be changed to beak, otherwise it implies tumbler, or bucket form, rather than a pulled-out (beak) rim  :thup:

Nigel
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: vidrioguapo on June 02, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
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Strictly speaking, I think the use of 'beaker' should be changed to beak, otherwise it implies tumbler, or bucket form, rather than a pulled-out (beak) rim  Thumb Up

Nigel

I agree, I nearly didn't look at this thread, as "beaker" style vases do not really interest me, but I am glad I did, what a lovely vase and if it hadn't had the mark on the base, I would not have guessed it was made by Webb.  Well,  never too late to learn!!  LOL!
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: keith on June 02, 2010, 07:11:38 PM
Great piece Paul,never seen one of those before,makes this look a little inadequate :-[ ;D
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: Paul S. on June 02, 2010, 08:02:25 PM
to Messrs. Smith and Benson  -  your are of course perfectly correct  -  and the moment I had made the original post, I though 'what a plonker', fancy calling it 'beaker' :-[     However, due to memory lapse and being at work, I didn't make the effort to correct my error.  My apologies Emmi,  I nearly didn't look at this thread, as "beaker" style vases do not really interest me  -  and here was me thinking you 'hung upon my every post' ;D   I think, in truth that I still have that repro low countries 'beaker' mistake on my mind from some month or two back. urggghhhhh.
Must admit it surprised me at the boot sale when I turned it upside down and saw the backstamp (but even more shock when the guy only wanted £3. for it).
Wouldn't mind seeing pictures of your blue and green examples David, if you have the time :), and thanks for the help.
Keith  -  you just aint got the same class mate - you should come to my boot sales some day ;D.    However, I think you know a bit more than I do, so am I correct in saying 'match striker'?
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beaker vase.
Post by: keith on June 02, 2010, 09:34:41 PM
Hello Paul,doubt I know more,I mentioned Powell on one of your other posts and got shot down,again.I thought it was a match striker but when I posted it there was some debate as to whether it was a candleholder(far too nice for that IMHO) Would love to get to a good 'boot sale' Surrey is a bit far on the bus,poor person that I am :cry: :24:
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beak vase.
Post by: David E on June 11, 2010, 01:09:26 PM
As requested, two photos on the five Webb's Flair items I have. To give anyone else who is unfamiliar with the size of these blinkin' things, the large blue vase is 33.5cm (13¼in) and weighs 2.27kg (~ 5lbs), and the red bowl is even larger at 35cm (13¾in) and 2.77kg (~ 6lbs)!

 
Title: Re: date request please for 'Webb' beak vase.
Post by: Paul S. on June 11, 2010, 03:17:38 PM
thanks for remembering David  -  they look very desireable, especially the large bowl :mrgreen: :mrgreen:.   As you say, these pieces can be very heavy, and sometimes I go to bed wondering whether I have overcooked the weight on some of my glass shelves - if you look sideways you can actually see the glas bowing slightly :-[.   As you are on record as commenting, Webbs pieces are still under-collected (and under-valued) - and looking at your pieces here it is easy to see that they make a colourful and attractive collection, for probably not too much outlay.    I think in fact they are way under-priced and can only but go up in value.     Paul S.