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Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Max on August 28, 2006, 03:07:08 PM
Three sets of glasses:

 http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3027

I think these ones are 'Slim Jims', but I haven't been able to find out if they're AHW or not.  I think they are, going from previous designs.  :?: If they're Ravenhead, they'll be post 1960 when three colours were introduced. (McConnell)


http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3026

Boxed set Ravenhead 'Chunkies*' in Diamante pattern.  *Note the contour to the base which sets them apart from other designs.


http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3029

AHW for either Ravenhead or Sherdley (20th Century Factory Glass (new Edition), Jackson.  I like to find out which factory produced them.  :D

I've got at least another couple of boxes of sets in the loft, but I can't find them.  :x   I'll post single glasses if anyone's interested later.   :wink:
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: David E on August 28, 2006, 03:18:04 PM
I'll readily admit my shortcomings with regard to Ravenhead and Alexander Hardie Williamson (AHW) designs, so other people's input will be most welcome.

The second photo is definitely of Ravenhead Chunkies  :roll:  :lol:

However, if anyone's interested, they have a full(?) set of all AHW designs at Himley Hall — I believe Broadfield House had first dibs when they cleared AHW's house after his death :shock:
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Max on August 28, 2006, 03:30:54 PM
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However, if anyone's interested, they have a full(?) set of all AHW designs at Himley Hall — I believe Broadfield House had first dibs when they cleared AHW's house after his death


I'd really like to see that.  I really should take a trip one day.   :D

This was just an opportunity to put my other type of glass on the board, I don't know anyone else (Sue perhaps?) that has any of it.  At least I've finally got round to taking photo's now though.  :D

...and it means I don't have to trawl through the loft again - that's a good thing.  :wink:
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: David E on August 28, 2006, 03:32:01 PM
Max, I've posted a new thread to show the photo I took of all these designs.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6972.0.html

When time permits, I'll try and take a photo for each shelf and post them on the new thread.

Thanks for sharing these examples.
Title: Re: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Anne on August 28, 2006, 03:35:01 PM
Quote from: "Max"
Three sets of glasses:

 http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3027

I think these ones are 'Slim Jims', but I haven't been able to find out if they're AHW or not.  I think they are, going from previous designs.  :?: If they're Ravenhead, they'll be post 1960 when three colours were introduced. (McConnell)


Definitely Ravenhead Slim Jims, Max. I've seen a boxed set of these but I haven't a note of if a designer's name was shown on the box or not.  :?

Edited to add: I hadn't seen David's reply above when I posted this one.  :roll:
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Max on August 28, 2006, 03:50:07 PM
Thanks for that Anne :D  :D

Great photo David, and I'd love to see a photo of each shelf when you have the time.  I think I can see another design there that I've dishwashed so much the transfer is coming off.  Oops.   :roll:
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Anne on August 28, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
I thought the link to the Cambridge Glass Fair foyer exhibition on AHW might be useful in this thread?  

...more than just slim jims... (http://www.cambridgeglassfair.com/exhibitions/pastexhibitions/2005-09-slimjims.htm)
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: David E on August 28, 2006, 04:20:49 PM
Thanks Anne, I'd forgotten about that one :oops:
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: roget123 on October 23, 2006, 08:05:53 PM
Hi Max,

Your first photo is Ravenhead T1190 weathercock Slim Jims designed by AHW as all Ravenhead Slim Jims were.
Information about AHW designs can be obtained from Broadfield House who published a booklet titled "Slim Jims & Tubbies, the life and work of Alexander Hardie Williamson" - this booklet has been mentioned un other threads on the subject of AHW, Sherdley and Ravenshead.
hope this helps
 p.s Do not forget that similar glasses was made by the French and examples are often seen in UK fairs.

Geoff
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on October 23, 2006, 09:50:25 PM
Hi, Max.

Weathercock appears in a Ravenhead advert David sent me dated December 1964, just at the time production was moved from Sherdley to Ravenhead.

I don't know the pattern name for the swirly conicals, but they're definitely Ravenhead. The packaging I've seen them in is a pinky-purple carrypack, which is different to the pale green carrypack that appears in the 1964 ads. So I think they must be a later design. The colours and pattern look a bit 70s to me.

The Diamante pattern appears in a Ravenhead advert launching the new chunkie shape - I think also in 1964. I have a theory (can't remember if I've mentioned it here before - apologies if I have) that the chunkie replaced the (barrel-shaped) chubbie shape. But that's only a hypothesis, just waiting to be knocked down - so if anyone has any examples of chubbies in Ravenhead packaging, I'd be very interested.

As far as I know, all the screen-printed designs were by AHW. According to McConnell, the conical was an existing Sherdley shape, but all the other shapes were designed by AHW.

Would love to see your other designs, Max - and anyone else who's got any. I'm trying to piece together as many as I can. And likewise, I MUST get to grips with my digital camera, so I can post some images of the designs I have - at the moment I only have images from e-bay sellers that I can't post here (at least I don't think I can - any copyright lawyers out there?) but could e-mail on a personal basis if anyone's interested.
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Anne on October 23, 2006, 11:35:19 PM
Hi Heidi, you're quite right that eBay images cannot be posted onto the board unless you receive permission to do so from the person who took the photo originally. If permission is granted to use someone's image it's normal to credit the image to the original photographer along with a note that you have their consent to repost it. Hope this helps clarify the board position. :) (Note the above also applies to images from any other website or from printed sources.)
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on October 24, 2006, 06:36:44 PM
Thanks for clarifying, Anne. I suspected this would be the position. Would it be worth spelling out in the stickies on this forum on Board policy and/ or guidance on posting pictures?
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Anne on October 25, 2006, 12:05:33 AM
Hi Heidi, I'll take the suggestion to Committee and see what they think.
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Bernard C on October 25, 2006, 07:31:59 AM
Heidi — Just reinforcing Anne's message.

I take the approach that unless I have specific permission to link to an image or web page, I always link to the home page and provide the navigation or route to follow to get to the image or page.

The reason is simple.   By linking directly you are usually bypassing whatever pays for the site, whether that is third party advertising, exposure to their shop window of tempting offerings, or something else.  You are gaining benefit from their website without paying for it.   And that is unreasonable, and could be considered theft of the website proprietor's allocation of bandwidth.   And if they discover or suspect what you have done, all they have to do is change a few filenames, and your link could be pointing to a less than appropriate image — I will leave that to your imagination!

That's why you should always link to the eBay listing rather than the specific image in it.   Oh, and if you suspect that someone is doing this to your eBay images, just revise your listing.    All the eBay-hosted image URLs will change.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on October 25, 2006, 08:50:01 PM
BTW, Max, you mentioned 20th Century Factory Glass. Does it have much on AHW/ Sherdley/ Ravenhead? Only it's quite a hefty price tag.

Are there any other books that cover the subject (apart from McConnell and the BH leaflet)?
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: David E on October 25, 2006, 10:03:38 PM
Need to shop around, Heidi. I actually got mine from the US - go to Amazon.com, or try a site like http://www.abebooks.com
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on October 26, 2006, 06:55:15 PM
Thanks, David - you're a star! Can anyone tell me what year the new edition came out in - the ones I'm finding all seem to be 2000. And is the new edition substantially different/ better?
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: David E on October 26, 2006, 07:40:54 PM
Not sure - might be best to ask in the Cafe. But normally, second editions clean up minor errors like names and dates. Mine appears to be © 2000 if that's any help.

One book that's definitely worth getting — oh, and the two pages immediately before the frontispiece are devoted to AHW tumblers!  8)
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on October 26, 2006, 07:46:43 PM
An author with taste, then! :)
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on November 05, 2006, 03:35:23 PM
Well, I promised I'd get to grips with my digital camera (and how to post on the glass gallery) - several hours later, here's my AHW collection, with the information I've managed to glean. Apologies for beginner-level photography, and for all the urls - I couldn't figure out how to turn text into links.

Conicals
coral clematis
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3998
mauve clematis
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3999
two-colour clematis
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3997
confetti (my name for the pattern)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3994
stripes (my name)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3996

Chubbies
orange and white stripes and dots (my name)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3995
coral and white feathers (my name)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4004

Slim jims
Ravenhead slim jim packaging
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4000
black and white bamboo
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4003
blue and yellow domino
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4001
stars and bars (my name)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4002

Chunkies
Ravenhead chunkies packaging
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4007
red Troy
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4008
red and white diamante
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4009

Gaytime
red and black shooting stars (my name)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4006

Ripple jug (1938)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4005

OK, so now you've all seen Max's and mine, anyone else willing to show theirs...?
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Anne on November 05, 2006, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: "Heidimin"
Well, I promised I'd get to grips with my digital camera (and how to post on the glass gallery) - several hours later, here's my AHW collection, with the information I've managed to glean. Apologies for beginner-level photography, and for all the urls - I couldn't figure out how to turn text into links.


Heidi, doing them this way is just fine... and well done for getting to grips with GlassGallery so quickly. :)
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on November 05, 2006, 09:14:21 PM
Thanks, Anne. I had a few problems when I was practising with an old (scanned) image I happened to have on my computer. But once I started trying with shots from the camera, it was easy - congratulations on a very user-friendly site.
Title: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Max on November 05, 2006, 10:28:47 PM
Heidi

I've seen those clematis ones in charity shops before, and didn't realise they were AHW.   :roll: Thanks for showing us your glass - more to search for in future.   :D

I've always stuck my printed glasses in the dishwasher, and thought they were fine, but they're really beginning to fade now - just to warn people!  :(
Title: Re: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on March 31, 2007, 01:12:24 PM
Bump!

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http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3029

AHW for either Ravenhead or Sherdley (20th Century Factory Glass (new Edition), Jackson.  I like to find out which factory produced them.   

The pattern is called Brevette. Coincidentally, I've just bought a set on e-bay, in Ravenhead packaging I've not come across before: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220095209895 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220095209895)

The information comes from Emma, whose collection featured in the Cambridge Glass Fair foyer exhibition Anne linked to above. She's done some research up at Broadfield House and has very kindly identified a number of the designs I have posted on the Glass Queries gallery - http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=254 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=254), if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: David E on March 31, 2007, 02:57:06 PM
I noticed those, so glad you got them - wasn't aware of the importance of the packaging though  :-[

Would Emma be interested in contributing to this forum? At some stage I was intending to photo each pattern at Broadfield, but time has been very limited lately.
Title: Re: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on April 02, 2007, 09:56:01 AM
Thanks, David. I'll send Emma a link - but I know she's very busy.

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The pattern is called Brevette.

Have since seen this pattern illustrated in a 1972 Ravenhead advert which David kindly sent me.
Title: Re: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Max on April 02, 2007, 10:10:00 AM
I should have realised that 'maple' was a Ravenhead pattern.  I see them from time to time in charity shops - they must've been pretty popular!  I've been putting some of my Ravenhead glasses in the dishwasher regularly - the transfer doesn't stand up to a lot of washing - some have faded away almost completely.   :-\

Title: Re: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on April 02, 2007, 10:19:53 AM
Maple also figures in the 1972 ad, but the packaging on the set I have suggests that production must have started earlier than that (mid-/ late 60s).
Title: Re: 3 Sets glasses, AHW, Ravenhead?
Post by: Heidimin on April 03, 2007, 06:34:26 PM
Fortunately I don't have a dishwasher...   ;)