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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: BJB on February 27, 2006, 03:20:54 PM
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This is one of my buys last weekend, and I wonder if its Percival and Vickers hobnail pattern rather than Davidson's. The bits between the "hobnail" are pointed diamonds in a square, and they don't look like Davisons which are more flowery.
Its not marked anywhere and measures 4.5" tall and 9" wide, so was it used as a jardinere or a washbowl?
http://i2.tinypic.com/oqd1xz.jpg
http://i2.tinypic.com/oqd534.jpg
I didn't know there were so many variations on the hobnail pattern until I started to look :)
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Hello:
Could also be made by US Glass Co. Have a look at this discussion:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3653.0.html
Your piece looks very similar in style if Ivo's.
Sid
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It may be Sid, but mine doesn't have a star base, it has no pattern on it at all.
Its all very confusing :?
Barbara
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It reminds me of Brockwitz "Hammonia" (Regal Cane) pattern.
What's the base like? (Collar base - marie). Is it ground?
Glen
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Barbara, Glen,
also I'm reminded of Brockwitz, but cannot find there a bowl shaped like your beauty. All Hammonia bowls in the catalogues I viewed had no foot and the pattern was always up to the rim
:(
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Yes, that's what more or less what I thought, too, Pamela. But the hobnail pattern on Hammonia is not always up to the rim. Yes, on bowls, but not on other shapes. And of course, we can't be sure that every shape was shown in the catalogs.
But then when I look in the United States Glass catalog, I can see the pattern and a similar shape, but the proportions are really not quite right.
No easy answer.
Fascinating. And proof again how the makers on both sides of the Atlantic loved to plagiarise. Or was it more a case of "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery"? Or perhaps the crucial point was these patterns are popular and sell. :lol:
Glen
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Hi Glen and Pamela,
Many thanks for your replies, I thought "English" never gave America or Germany a thought :oops:
I'll post a picture of the base tomorrow (when I'm allowed on the computer :twisted: blooming kids and MSN!!) but its like a small shallow bowl plain with little sides if you know what I mean :roll:
Barbara
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Hammonia not always up to the rim :D
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/misc/03404.html
:roll:
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I thought "English" never gave America or Germany a thought :oops:
"Que?" :shock:
Glen
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French 'comment?'
that's nice Glen, you say que :twisted: :?:
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qu'est ce que ca(c cédille a) veux dire?
'que' = question?
:oops:
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Oh Pamela, my command of foreign languages is poor. Very poor. :oops: :oops: Though I am fairly fluent at American, as well as English. :lol:
But I used the word "que?" in the context of borrowing it from a very popular British comedy series called "Fawlty Towers" (about a badly run seaside hotel). The rather crazy Spanish waiter in the series was always saying "QUE?" when he didn't understand.
So.....a lighthearted "que?" to Barbara's comment, which I didn't really follow.
Glen
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Glen I didn't follow Barbara's question too
but great to obtain your explanation for QUE
of course it is Spanish too!
'qué`is WHAT? german wie bitte? :lol:
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Pamela.....I often tend to use a "HUH?" :lol:
Glen
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que in italian would be che
remember'?
che sara, sara, what ever will be will be 8)
and your HUH is prettyly understood, whilst not knowing how to pronounce it in English :oops:
I am still thinking about a translation for HUH :D
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Hi Pamela,
HUH? is just a lazy way of saying, bitte?
Jan says the sound of 'huh' in English is the same as 'h + ö' as the sound in Köln.
Hope that makes sense.
Sorry, forgot to say, the second 'h' in huh is silent.
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Della and Jan, thank you! in the North we would say
HÄH?
instead of HÖH :P
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...and even worse:
BIDDE?
8)
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prior to getting us moved to the Café:
let's return to hobnails 8) :D
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......and in Limburgs, 'bidde' means pray, because they never pronounce the 'n' (bidden).
No wonder I get confused sometimes :oops:
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... che sara, sara, what ever will be will be ...
Thanks, Pamela, I had forgotten that one. It will come in useful on this year's visit to Murano, especially when contemplating their mysteriously inedible breakfasts!
Barbara — I can understand why you considered a Manchester source; these glassworks were superb at post-moulding modifications. Only today, sorting for the MK fair, I was looking at three amazing examples of Manchester, a PV and a M&W pickle jar and a PV oil cruet. It takes forever to convince anyone that the four bottles in the EPNS cruet stand were all pressed in the same mould (hobnail pattern, registered design with lozenge, looks the same as your bowl). The usual response is "How can they be pressed glass, they must have been mould-blown?". Well they are not mould-blown but pressed. You don't get sharp right-angle internal corners inside a mould-blown bottle. They are square in cross-section, so must have been made with a long plain upper section, which was then re-heated and worked into the various tops, some with cut decoration. See Thompson, p 50, bottle on the right. This is the same. Pressed glass, reshaped, with cut shoulders.
Are you certain that you have no registration lozenge? Some PV and M&W lozenges are very faint.
Bernard C. 8)
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Hello Barbara:
Here is a US Glass catalog page showing several pieces of their 9525 pattern including a 9 inch bell bowl in the top row that looks like yours and Ivo's rose jar in the bottom row.
I don't know what the base of the bowl looks like because I don't have any of these, sometimes they would differ from flat pieces.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/sid.lethbridge/USGlass_9525.jpg
Sid
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Hi Glen & Pamela,
What I was trying to say, in my short time allowed on MY computer!, was that I didn't think it was anything else but British made.
:oops:
I have been all over it with a fine tooth comb and can't find any marks what so ever.
If it was either Davidson's or Percival and Vickers I suppose that it would date from about 1900, but as it looks increasingly likely not to be, when would it have been made by the other companies?
Sid, it does look like the same design as in the catalogue, talk about confusing :roll:
I have taken a picture of the base in the hope that it may shed some light on the maker
http://i2.tinypic.com/orhzdu.jpg
Many thanks
Barbara
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By the look of the base, it should have a metal base of the sort that is crimped on and then fixed with sort of Polyfilla stuff IMHO. Can't help you with the maker though
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Barbara, Sid and all. I'm inclined to put my money on the United States Glass pattern - mainly because of the 9" size (which is pretty big isn't it?) The one "fly in the ointment" is the lack of a star on the base (and the bases shown in the US Glass extract do show a star). But the fact is many US Glass moulds were later sold - so maybe it's a US glass item that was made by another factory (even in South America) with a plain base plate (hence the lack of star).
Glen
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Hi Glen,
I think I agree with you, especially with it having the plain band round the rim, its well travelled and still in first class condition.
Did the ladies in the US have aspidistra's as well :lol: because thats the only thing I could think it could be used for, as it is a whopper.
Barbara