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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Resolved Paperweight Queries => Topic started by: Simone on March 21, 2006, 10:31:01 AM

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly? ID = Yes, with a Torsade! Rare!
Post by: Simone on March 21, 2006, 10:31:01 AM

I saw this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAUL-YSART-BUTTERFLY-PAPERWEIGHT_W0QQitemZ7399743025QQcategoryZ2744QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on Ebay, and it's nothing like the Ysart butterflies I've seen so far. It's a nice one with a star-cut base.

Any thoughts on it?

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: Frank on March 21, 2006, 01:08:58 PM

Tell you next week 8)

Title: oh come on frank. please answer this week.
Post by: dfernbach on March 21, 2006, 01:20:37 PM

Hi there.  I'm new to this site.  I also happen to be the poor guy who is selling the "supposed" Ysart weight on e-bay.  :?
I'm just wondering why Frank isn't answering now.  Is it possible you know what I have and want it yourself?  :lol:
Biggest issue - if it is not an Ysart, I'd like to be able to let my potential bidders know ASAP.

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: KevinH on March 21, 2006, 02:52:50 PM

It is a Paul Ysart weight.

And since the seller (Don) is here I will add a few comments on the "imperfections" (saves me contacting through eBay). But first, I will say, "Well done", on the descriptions of the condition.

It is possible that some of the described imperfections may be internal bubbles but these would usually be very small. Without handling the weight, it's not possible to say for sure what is and is not just a bubble.

The other imperfections all sound like regular damage caused by knocks and drops etc. None of this will be repairs filled with molten glass.

Some of the damage could be simple surface chips and for these the important issue is how deep they are as well as how large in area. The imperfections that "cannot be felt" are known as "bruises" and these are perhaps the most troublesome as it is not always easy to tell how deep they might be.

Bruises in glass paperweights often show little or no surface evidence that can be felt. But the cracks (usually concentric [part] circles) can sometimes go quite deep. This could affect a decision on whether polishing out would require excessive loss of material, thus altering the overall visual aspect of the weight.

As the weight is very small already (is it really just 2 5/16 inch?), full damage repair may not be feasible.

I will also give a comment on the question that has been added to the listing - a star cut base is not a regular feature of Paul Ysart weights, but it is not something that we can say will never be found. The "something" circling a central motif was most often millefiori but coloured twists (when set in a full circle they are called a "torsade") are known in several Ysart items.

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: Frank on March 21, 2006, 03:09:19 PM

I didn't say as I thought it best left to Kevin. It is a particularly nice one if you can live with a damaged piece.

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: dfernbach on March 21, 2006, 04:16:20 PM

Anyone who wants copies of my photos of the (now verified) Ysart weight, feel free to copy them from my e-bay listing.

I delete most of my pictures once I have uploaded them to e-bay.

If you do need better or different pictures, please feel free to ask.

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: Frank on March 21, 2006, 07:57:30 PM

Thanks Don,

Those are good for my use. Would you like a credit on contributors page http://www.ysartglass.com/Contributors.htm ?

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: Frank on March 24, 2006, 07:43:11 PM

I got outbid :?

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: Della on March 24, 2006, 08:21:40 PM

Congrats Don :!:

Great price :lol:  :lol:

Title: catching my breath
Post by: dfernbach on March 24, 2006, 08:26:47 PM

:lol:
Oh my Lord!!!
Thank you all.  I'm sure that all the communications in the listing helped the bidder's confidence in what he was looking at!

Dinner is on me next time you're all over here.

I will be asking the buyer for his comments on the damages.  If he gives me anything interesting, I'll pass it on.
 :lol:

ps - Frank, sorry you didn't win.
pps - any way to make these smilies bigger?  they just don't seem sufficient.

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: Frank on March 24, 2006, 09:31:36 PM

Meet you at the Ritz :P  well done!

Title: High price
Post by: Alastair Petrie on March 25, 2006, 08:01:05 PM

I had a bid prepared to put in for Norah, but I hesitated when I saw your bid, Frank. In the event we were both surpassed!
I think I sent you a pictuer earlier of a similar sized butterfly in torsade that Norah has, all be it for a much lower price and minus the bruises.

http://i2.tinypic.com/s6ip2f.jpg
http://i2.tinypic.com/s6j0uo.jpg

ps - first attempt on Board - trust OK!

Title: Is this an Ysart butterfly?
Post by: Frank on March 25, 2006, 09:03:32 PM

Hi

Nice to see you here :)

I am sure the picture sits in the backlog :oops: but I have started to move it now :shock: