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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: Anne on March 22, 2013, 02:11:49 AM

Title: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Anne on March 22, 2013, 02:11:49 AM
A maker of glass trinket sets I'd not heard of before... http://www.holder.de/dbbild/08080981-5318.jpg Mod: Link dead
"Kristallglaswerk Buder GmbH & Co KG, Address: Postfach 2110 D - 3418 Uslar 2 Germany , Products: Machine-made crystal" - does anyone have any examples to share photos of please?
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 22, 2013, 07:21:07 AM
Surely we've seen bits of the geometric set far right bottom
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Simba on March 22, 2013, 06:00:08 PM
I think I have the trinket set
 see link
 http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-18588
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-18589
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-16966

Not very good pictures I can taken some better ones if required  :)
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Simba on March 22, 2013, 07:00:59 PM
Some better pictures of the trinket pot  ;)
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: agincourt17 on March 22, 2013, 07:33:45 PM
I'm not sure whether this confuses or clarifies, but although the lidded trinket pot at the top right-hand corner of the third illustrated page from the left certainly looks like that shown in Angela’s set, I’m pretty sure that sets similar to Angela’s have already been discussed at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48336.msg282800.html#msg282800

They had been tentatively identified as Rosice (candlesticks pattern no. 5136), with a clear set and a set flashed with amber (and references to sets flashed with amethyst and with red). 

I attach a photo of the flashed amber set for ready reference and comparison.
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Anne on March 23, 2013, 11:36:44 PM
Fred and Angela, yes the tentative Rosice was based on the Rosice candlestick which appears to be a match. I can't find the rest of the set in Rosice anywhere, so was quite excited to see the Buder image... hopefully when the catalogue is digitised by Dieter and Pamela it will answer more questions for us too. :) The Czech origin was taken from the Notley book, which may or may not be correct - I don't know his source.

Christine, I think we have seen the geometric one too but I can't just find the topic... hunting for it!
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Anne on March 23, 2013, 11:48:15 PM
It is, of course, possible that the same item was made in different places, e.g if the moulds were from a 3rd party and bought by different glassworks.
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Simba on March 24, 2013, 01:24:03 PM
I could cry...I have an elderly friend with this same trinket set which had its original lables on but when I contacted her yesterday her niece had washed the labels off and couldn't remember what they said :'(
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Simba on March 24, 2013, 03:58:39 PM
My friend has very kindly given me the missing piece from my trinket set, the pin dish and as far as she remembers the labels said Bohemian and she got it around the 1930's (She is 96) maybe this helps?
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Simba on March 24, 2013, 04:19:01 PM
The geometric set in the Buder catalogue look very similar to ones on Ebay at the moment listed as BAGLEY PINK GLASS ART DECO DRESSING TABLE DISHES ?
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: agincourt17 on March 24, 2013, 04:40:57 PM
The geometric body is similar to that in the Buder catalogue, but the lid finials are different.

Anne already has them on her GTS site as pieces from Mystery Set 29:
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=187:mystery-set-29&catid=28:mysteries&Itemid=52
and I'm pretty sure we've discussed them on GMB already.
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: agincourt17 on March 24, 2013, 10:38:23 PM
The geometric pots (and the matching set) have been dsicussed on GMB before at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48428.msg273155.html#msg273155

Attributed to Stolzle Hermanova Hut, the lidded pots are pattern 19230 ( and the matching perfume flask 19566).
Title: Re: Ernst Buder,
Post by: Anne on April 11, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
The geometric set in the Buder catalogue look very similar to ones on Ebay at the moment listed as BAGLEY PINK GLASS ART DECO DRESSING TABLE DISHES ?

Although so listed. they are certainly not Bagley, Angela. Isn't it astonishing how often pressed items are wrongly attributed to Bagley on eBay?!  ::)

The geometric body is similar to that in the Buder catalogue, but the lid finials are different.

Anne already has them on her GTS site as pieces from Mystery Set 29:
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=187:mystery-set-29&catid=28:mysteries&Itemid=52 and I'm pretty sure we've discussed them on GMB already.

Not quite the same as Mystery no.29, Fred, the post and lid shapes are slightly different. The eBay one is Mystery no.4.  8)

I'm not sure whether this confuses or clarifies, but although the lidded trinket pot at the top right-hand corner of the third illustrated page from the left certainly looks like that shown in Angela’s set, I’m pretty sure that sets similar to Angela’s have already been discussed at http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48336.msg282800.html#msg282800

They had been tentatively identified as Rosice (candlesticks pattern no. 5136), with a clear set and a set flashed with amber (and references to sets flashed with amethyst and with red). 

I attach a photo of the flashed amber set for ready reference and comparison.


Having now looked at the Buder catalogue, which shows the yellow stained version of this, I'm pretty confident they are a match. I've still not managed to find a match in any of the Rosice catalogues, which, along with the yellow and amber staining, which I can't find examples of in Rosice output, makes me more inclined to attribute these to Buder than Rosice. Why Rosice would have the single candlestick I do not know!

The geometric pots (and the matching set) have been discussed on GMB before at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48428.msg273155.html#msg273155

Attributed to Stolzle Hermanova Hut, the lidded pots are pattern 19230 ( and the matching perfume flask 19566).

Is the tray not the one shown on page 1 of the pre-1958 Hermanova catalogue, as pattern 19276-77 - it's a tray with 3 others on top of it. Perhaps it was used as a trinket set tray and as tableware/serving plate? I can't find the candleholders yet.  ???