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Title: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker - ID = Stevens & Williams
Post by: AJLUNN1965 on March 17, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
I have just purchased this Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker! Has anyone seen anything like this before?? The patent dates it to around 1926? Its cleaned up really well. On the silver top it states Alfred Dunhill. London. Paris. New York. & the patent number, but no hallmarks? it has tested as silver though. I'm interested in any info or if anyone else has seen another one in maybe a different colour?

Andrew
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: nigel benson on March 19, 2011, 11:37:50 AM

Patent, or registration number? Whichever, how about telling us, since it could help enormously. Thanks.

I'll try an early guess of S&W......well that's me committed........(probably the men in white coats are on their way already!!).

Nigel
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: AJLUNN1965 on March 19, 2011, 11:48:55 AM
Hello Nigel

I have bought from your excellent ebay site previously......so i will undoubtedly bow to your superior knowledge!!

Ok....patent on the silver pat No 25782? unreadable last number

Rd No on the base of the glass 718885

& it states Alfred Dunhill Lndon Paris New York on the silver top!

Any help????

Andrew
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: nigel benson on March 19, 2011, 12:45:29 PM

Well, well, well, anybody who has been following another thread recently will now perhaps understand my concerns!! Scroll down....................

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38731.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38731.0.html)

Andrew I'm afraid you've unwittingly done something that illustrates my point in the other thread perfectly  :thup:

Nigel

PS. Don't call me Wayne .........................................!!
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: AJLUNN1965 on March 19, 2011, 12:49:45 PM
You have lost me completely??

Are you suggesting ive used some one else's image??
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: nigel benson on March 19, 2011, 01:02:49 PM
Hello,

Try using the link, then I imagine you'll fall in.

You did not buy from me, but someone (Wayne) who started using the same trading name as mine - a result of the quirks of the internet and the subsequent availability of the name once unsquated.

Or else simply click the link to my website below.

Nigel
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: AJLUNN1965 on March 19, 2011, 01:07:33 PM
Got ya!! How can they do that? Sorry Wayne ;-) (joke)

Anyway....back to my shaker!!! what is S&W? The only S&W I know is Smith & Wesson??
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: nigel benson on March 19, 2011, 01:14:05 PM
Hi Andrew,

Stevens & Williams - later known as Royal Brierley.

Nigel
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: AJLUNN1965 on March 19, 2011, 03:27:57 PM
Nigel

Thanks for that! i have searched & found a very similar cocktail shaker body by Stevens & Williams in yellow! & they were registering glass designs in 1926 very close to the number on my piece. It also matches the pat number on the silver which dates it to 1926! So it looks like a S&W shaker made for Dunhill?! I have a Mappin & Webb silver shaker with a top design very similar? im goin to have a look if S&W made any pieces in conjunction with M&W??

Its a lovely item & the £140 spent on it looks like it was a good purchase?

Cheers Andrew
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: Anne on March 19, 2011, 11:38:58 PM
The RD (registered design) number 718885 dates to 8 Feb 1926 and the design was registered by O.S. Middleton (of whom I've never heard before!)

There is another with the same RD number in a different colour/pattern shown here: http://www.great-glass.co.uk/library/lib2ae.htm

[Source of lookup info: The Glass Association Registration Numbers 1908-1945, popularly referred to as the Blue Book.]
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: KevinH on March 20, 2011, 12:33:18 AM
A comment that might be worth noting:

Although a Registred Design number can refer to the full shape of the glass item, it might only refer to a part of it. In the case of cocktail shakers it could be the form of the glass at the neck, beneath the metal.

I mention this because of a water jug I have which has an engraved registration lozenge on the body and I had always assumed it was the design of the whole thing that was registered. Many years after I bought it, I found out that it actually referred only to the ribbed design of the feet and handle.
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: AJLUNN1965 on March 20, 2011, 09:15:26 AM
Anne

This was the link i found yetserday.........G57 Middleton Stevens and Williams glass cocktail shaker! Which may explain the O S Middleton registering the design. it looks like he worked with Stevens & Williams around that time??

http://www.stylendesign.co.uk/guidepages/archive/garchivemaster5.html

Andrew
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: Anne on March 22, 2011, 02:47:50 PM
Andrew, I can't find a mention of Middleton working as a designer at S&W in my reference books (Dodsworth's British Glass Between the Wars, Angus-Butterworth's British Table & ornamental Glass, and Judith Miller's 20th century Glass) so I'm wondering if Middleton might have been a wholesaler or retailer who wanted this design made for them by S&W. Or Middleton could be an independent design agent registering a design on behalf of such a wholesaler or retailer?
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: AJLUNN1965 on March 22, 2011, 03:05:37 PM
Anne


Thanks so much for your search!! i appreciate it. Did you have a look at the link with ref to the other piece?? Today i have sent them an email asking how they got their info on the Middleton, Stevens & williams shaker vase? Maybe they can cast some light on the subject?? the colour match is perfect but with a different design!

Regards

Andrew
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: Anne on March 22, 2011, 06:56:12 PM
I did look Andrew. :)  I'm intrigued because of the other one I found too, on the Great Glass site - same shape, same RD no, but clear glass with enamelled decoration, which would have made me think Stuart rather than S&W if I'd not seen yours; which is why I'm wondering if the Middleton was the wholesaler/retailer - as they may even have had different colours made by separate glassworks - depending on what the cost or the finish was going to be. I'm really just thinking out loud at the moment, but would be interested to hear further feedback from those with experience of this type of glass.
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: Anne on May 25, 2011, 02:27:03 AM
Bingo! http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/Stevens%20&%20Williams%20Antique%20Glass.htm - it seems that Middleton may have been the silversmith! See 3rd item on 3rd row, and 1st item on 4th row, on the above link. :thup:
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: AJLUNN1965 on May 26, 2011, 10:49:54 PM
Bingo indeed!!!

This is what ive found out:

HUKIN & HEATH, 1855-1953

Manufacturing silversmiths and electroplaters of Birmingham, established by Jonathan Wilson Huckin and John Thomas Heath, who registered London marks in 1879. When Huckin retired in 1881 the partnership continued with Heath and J.H. Middleton. The firm's association with Christopher Dresser began in 1877; the first registered design dates from 1878, and others were entered up to 1881. Dresser's designs were launched at the opening of the firm's showrooms in Charterhouse Street in August 1879. They also stocked Persian and Kashmiri works of art which had been plated with gold and silver, Japanese metalwork and imitations by the firm, and Linthorpe, Doulton and Oriental pottery that they had mounted in metal. Some of Dresser's designs were manufactured until after 1900.

Looking at some of the works of Heath & Middleton they combined with some very notable designers/makers such as Dresser, Liberty & of course.....we now know Stevens & Williams.

Thanks Anne
Title: Re: Alfred Dunhill Glass & Silver Cocktail Shaker
Post by: Anne on May 27, 2011, 08:10:51 PM
Brilliant, Andrew! Thanks for updating this, it's been bugging us for a while and now we know for sure!  :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp: