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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => USA => Topic started by: Lustrousstone on January 29, 2006, 02:45:53 PM
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I presume this is an open sugar, but I'm puzzled as to where it originates or how old it is. It's very nice quality.
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I think it's moulded, as there are seams under the handles on the outside. The inside, however as been rounded off, as there are no seams to be felt and no hexagonal shaping, just gentle undulations.
The glass is quite thick: 0.4 cm at its thinnest and about 1.5 cm on the points at the bottom ridge. The base has a pressed 36 pt star. It appears to have had some fire polishing - there are no seams to be felt on the top of the handles, just small indentations.
It's heavy 460g and measures 14 cm handle to handle, 7.5 cm across the bowl and 7.5 cm tall. There's wear on the base but no damage. The glass is what I call 'bright', no coloration.
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Sorry Christine, I was going to answer this earlier and managed to be sidetracked by something or other! :oops:
It looks to me like a Davidson Chippendale sugar - see this image from a 1930's catalogue...
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3294
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Hi,
It is not Davidson chippendale - the tell tale sign is the arms of the star are all the same length. It is not a Davidson 283 piece either.
I think it must be one of the many chippendale look alikes made during the 20s and 30s.
Regards
Chris
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It is an American EAPG pattern. I think by Indiana and only has a number designation. I am once again traveling for business so don't have access to my books.
I have had this sugar and matching creamer before.
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Thanks all. I'd already decided it wasn't Chippendale, it's quite different in the flesh, even the glass seems different to any Davidson Chippendale I've fondled. I shall await Connie's return home.
Anne thank you for your thumbnail lesson, as you see wrestled with applying it to Photobucket, applied it and written it down for future reference. We could do with having the sticky title edited to be more general - Frank, Paradise Trader?
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Chris, I note what you say about the base star, and have considered this as well in looking at my Chippendale and Chippendale lookalikes. But (there's always a but isn't there?!)... looking at my copy of the 1930's Davidson catalogue I see a trinket tray which does have a star base with equal length points... was that the only such star they did in this way or could there have been others which had the same bases?
I also noted in the Central Glass Works Chippendale catalogue no. 41 (dated 1919) there are items with both the equal star and the unequal star base shown.
This is confusing the heck out of me as I'd happily been looking at unequal stars and thinking Davidson, but now that seems to have been blown out of the water by the 1919 catalogue.
Help!
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Hi Ann,
which trinket tray is that?
Don't forget that Davidson only ever made a subset, albeit a large one of the Chippendale range. We will be including a full list of styles they made in our next book.
Regards
Chris
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Christine -
Back home and it is the pattern I was remembering.
According to Edwards & Carwile ( :roll: ) it is Indiana Glass Company #165.
I am hesitant to say absolutely because Edward's books are known to be rife with errors. I always try to confirm any info in his books with another source.
The problem is that neither Metz nor McCain have this pattern listed so take it with a grain of salt :lol:
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which trinket tray is that?
Hi Chris, it's the one shown as no. 2505 in trinket set no. 3 on page 14 of the catalogue which says it's the "first [Davidson] catalogue since Chippendale became an all-British product".
Looking forward very much to your next book - I use the current one so much, it is invaluable. :)
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Thank you Connie, I'll try and investigate further
Further investigation reveals a lovely carnival version of the creamer and an old advert for both in carnival look here (http://www.rubylane.com/ni/shops/dr54eagle/iteml/0802-792#pic2)
and a selection of names as well as a number Peerless Colonial, Colonial Panel or Swedish Style flat panel
Yet another edit interestingly the clear were more expensive than the carnival see here, scrolll down Butler Bros ad 1927 (http://www.carnivalheaven.com/carnivalglass102/id266.htm)
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Great research, Christine. I am glad I could point you in the right direction.
Colonial or Colonial Panel is a collective name for the panel pressed glass pieces. Almost every company in the US made some version of these. I think I mentioned that in an earlier thread on Chippendale which you can see from those links is part of the Colonial Panel collective series.
It is also interesting that Indiana used the term "our Peerless" since Peerless is the name Heisey gave to one of their Colonial panel lines.
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Hi Anne,
Apologies for taking so long to reply. The 2505 trinket tray does have an even star pattern, which is unlike most other examples of Chippendale. It is also not a very Chippendale like style!!
Checking our research notes, it looks like the 2505 tray was the only example of Chippendale made by Davidson with an even star base.
Regards
Chris
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Thanks Chris, that is interesting - I wonder why that one was made this way?
I've noted it in my Chippendale catalogue to remind me as well. Much appreciate your help once more. :)
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Dear Mods
Please insert these pictures and move to US glass. Photobucket has been very naughty and changed the way things work, i.e., the thumbnails no longer have a distinct location