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Title: sapphire glass
Post by: essi on January 20, 2013, 02:08:13 AM
This beaker only measures 4 inches tall. I am thinking it is whitefriars but have not managed to see it in there catalogues.
I have a much bigger mariott  powell vase but do not know if this is part of the same range.
hopefully i have described the colour correctly.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: Otis Orlando on January 20, 2013, 03:12:18 AM
Hi essi,   I am quite certain this is a whitefriars tumbler/ vase made around the 1930's.  Not sure about the colour range.  Here is some info. I managed to find:  http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?pageNum_catalogue=0&totalRows_catalogue=271&id=1

If you can post improved pics, preferably on a white background.  That would be of some help.

I'm sure someone on this site will verify.       :)
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: essi on January 20, 2013, 08:27:15 PM
thanks for the info otis,looking at the heights in the catalogue links you posted they do not list a 4inch high version.
have tried to take a better picture today but the swags at the top do not show that well.(bad workman allways blames his tools!)
the blue colour in this beaker is a darker blue than the blue in my 10 inch high marriot powell vase.
is this quality control or a different colourway?
thanks again
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: chriscooper on January 21, 2013, 11:05:10 AM
Hi, the general rule of thumb is if you look down through the top the pattern is always six sided whatever the size of the vase.
Not seen the 8743 wave ribbed tumbler vase catalogued in this size.
So more likely to be a tumbler from a water set than a vase maybe?
The colour if not sapphire could be Arctic blue?
I think myself it is Whitefriars but probably from a water set.
Chris
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: johnphilip on January 21, 2013, 11:36:42 AM
I must say i am a tad confused as  i have never seen one that small or seen a water set in that pattern .
I have seen thousands of Whitefriars collections  over the years but never one of those . stummped jp.
Hows your FINSK you must be an expert by now  . Hope to see you both at Cambridge ,,,, not long now .
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: vidrioguapo on January 21, 2013, 06:16:01 PM
I'm also a tad suspicious of it being Whitefriars.  The colour - whatever blue it may be - does not strike me a W/F blue  colour.  The "waves" seem a bit droopy to me too, and the size as Chris says is not one of the catalogued vases.  Also like John have not seen a W/F water set for which it may be a tumbler. 

Mystery?
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: chriscooper on January 21, 2013, 07:41:51 PM
My 'assumptions' based on....

"This is a view from the inside of a Whitefriars Wave ribbed vase which shows the six sided "star" shaped ribbing in the base.  This is unique to Whitefriars"

Not really the colour which can vary from camera to camera.
Here is a emerald green 6" version to compare.
"Backtracking" me, never  ;D
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: essi on January 21, 2013, 09:10:20 PM
Thanks to all members who replied to my posting, I'm confused.com.
The glass does seem to have a w/f internal mould shape also the radius on the base seems to be a nice size.
For what it's worth, here are a couple more pictures, the large vase is the 10 inch version.
For johnphilip,probably wont see you at cambridge but will go to coventry.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: johnphilip on January 21, 2013, 09:13:52 PM
I was just wondering about the Wealdstone range , they tend to be a bit different , what does Chris think about that .
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: vidrioguapo on January 21, 2013, 10:08:50 PM
Or Webb?

http://www.whitefriars.com/isit_contents.php?ID=2908
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: essi on January 21, 2013, 10:23:38 PM
The blue in emmi smiths w/f  wanabees look very close, but what about the swags and mould pattern. ?
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: chriscooper on January 21, 2013, 11:05:13 PM
The Webb moulding more square or so they say?  :)

http://www.glassyeye.com/glasspages/brit-webb.html
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 22, 2013, 07:51:30 AM
Definitely
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1759
so not Webb
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: Paul S. on January 22, 2013, 09:00:24 AM
Emmi's W/Fs link to a blue water jug and tumbler shows what I believe is Webb's Ribbonette  -  and although not an easy pattern to capture on the camera  -  looks something like the attached.          It is in fact shown in Hajdamach - C20 Glass - page 54. :)
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: Paul S. on January 22, 2013, 09:03:22 AM
the point being that the lines used to create the pattern are strainght, and not curved as in the swags of this blue one.
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: essi on January 22, 2013, 09:33:32 PM
Thanks once again for your input on this posting,I wish there something more I could contribute.
In the paul s posting the webbs ribbonette glass seems to have a six sided mould mark,so that's not exclusive to w/friars ,maybe ?
Thanks again.
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: Littleblackhen on April 25, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
I have just bought a set of 6 of these blue swagged tumblers.  I have had a close look at the Ribbonette advert in 20th Century Glass, and I think that the swags on that are much more in a V shape than the swags on my tumblers.  Also the tumblers in that set appear to be flared towards the rim, whereas mine are more straight sided, with only a gentle outwards slope all the way from the bottom.
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: essi on April 27, 2013, 02:08:24 PM
Nice find,Ibet they look smart together.
Are you leaning towards a W/Friars I D ?
Will take my one to the glass fair and ask johnphillip to cast his expert eye over it.
thanks for the input.
Title: Re: sapphire glass
Post by: Littleblackhen on April 27, 2013, 02:22:57 PM
There is picture  in Lesley Jackson's Whitefriars glass book, fig 172 page 70, from the Thomas Webb Catalogue 1930-31 showing a set called the Pitcher Suite.  Although there are no matching water glasses to the pitcher shown, there is one on a tumble up that looks very similar to my set.  Unfortunately the picture isn't terribly clear.  Does anyone have any of this set to compare?

I would be very interested to hear what John Phillip says, Essi, thanks :)