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Title: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on May 02, 2012, 10:35:29 AM
I could have added this to another thread, but I think this deserves a thread on on it's own.  I like to buy most of our things second hand or 'pre-loved' and I like to use things that are well designed (obviously 'in my eyes' as I guess all these things are down to personal preference). 

To me that means functional foremost but also beautiful and of quality construction, made to last, and as an added extra should also be mould breaking in design or absolutely of it's time.

I bought this to add to my glass collection, but I do think these ashtrays fulfil all those criteria and are the most stunning piece of design. 

I had a green sludge coloured uranium one and sold it.  I have seen one in a superb yellow but at the time didn't buy it as it was chipped (and now I kick myself because I have never ever seen another).  This one is a lavender blue, more lavender in the flesh than the photo depicts.

 I do think they should be in the Design Museum. 
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design:
Post by: scavo on May 02, 2012, 11:31:36 AM
Agree with you 100%.

Can only add that it reminds me of the UNDERGROUND signs.
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on May 02, 2012, 11:45:20 AM
yes you're right  :)
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: keith on May 02, 2012, 12:32:41 PM
Great minds think alike,the one on the left is uv reactive ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on May 02, 2012, 12:37:11 PM
I sold my uv one.  Regret it slightly  ::) but I'm hanging out to find another yellow one  ;D
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: keith on May 02, 2012, 12:40:56 PM
Not seen a yellow one,how many colours did they do? ;D
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: Bernard C on May 02, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
Why has it got Parker in relief script on the base?   Parker pens?

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 02, 2012, 01:49:21 PM
I believe so.
I've fondled Christine's U-one. It has a very satisfying and comfortable feel. :)
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on May 02, 2012, 02:01:55 PM
Sue they are incredibly tactile aren't they, and heavy?  another plus for the design.
Bernard the Parker is for I think Parker Beacon  a tobacco company.
It is quite difficult to find these now, especially those not damaged by having their 'wings' knocked.
Keith I don't know how many colours but I've just seen one in banded yellow matthey crinkles on clear  :o - not nice - I'm quite sure Robert Gooden didn't think of matthey crinkles decorating his designs  when he came up with it ;D
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 02, 2012, 02:21:32 PM
Whoever came up with matthey crinkles was a sadist.  :P

Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on May 02, 2012, 02:38:52 PM
yes they are one of  the two weirdest, not nicest, things about glass that I've come across - only superseded by  that icey type effect that looks like glue has been sprayed on and then a frosted coating which has all been pulled into v or fan shaped shapes at different angles all over it.  I couldn't actually bear to handle a piece of glass with that on.
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 02, 2012, 02:47:53 PM
 :'(

When I was very young, our juice glasses were covered in bands of matthey crinkles.
I keep telling folk mother was a sadist.......... ;D
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: keith on May 02, 2012, 03:11:48 PM
Don't like the idea of crinkles either,my blue one is marked 'Parker' the pale,non uv,green one is marked 'Fibreglass'
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on May 02, 2012, 03:26:50 PM
my uv green one wasn't marked at all and it was a different mould to the blue one I think.  It had a sort of textured band round it.  I don't think the blue one has that - will go and check.
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: David E on January 04, 2013, 02:46:12 PM
Not seen a yellow one,how many colours did they do? ;D
Just adding to this thread as I have a little more to offer (missed it first time around).

A yellow one is unusual, so was this opaque or clear, M?

But of the colours I know of:

OPAQUE
Blue
Green (Keith, if your other green one isn't uranium, this is probably later)
Yellow
Opal White

CLEAR/TRANSLUCENT
Blue
Amber
Green
Clear (flint)

MATTHEY CRINKLES
Yellow crinkles onto clear

Apart from these there are many variations to the embossing on the base: Parker; Chance; Fibreglass; With Compliments of Chance (plus others). I also have two examples where the top ring is embossed. Additionally, there are some with transfers affixed and a few that are (ahem) tetradecagon (OK, that's 14-sided  ;) ) in a translucent blue. These appear in this thread (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19637.0.html).

ANOMALIES
A very deep-amber, which borders on being ruby. It also has a slightly different base, so could have been an early trial glass mix.
A clear glass one that's been engraved!

More will be revealed when the second book's released.
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on January 04, 2013, 02:52:24 PM
the yellow was opaque David.  I'm kicking myself now but it was chipped on the handles ends so I left it.  Darn it  ;D
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: David E on January 04, 2013, 02:55:35 PM
Very, very few are undamaged. The design, unfortunately, lends itself to getting chipped!
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on January 04, 2013, 02:57:36 PM
oh that makes it worse.  Why didn't I know that then  ;D
I've missed quite a few pieces because in the early days of collecting my instinct said 'buy' and my head said 'no'.  Now I go with my instinct and hope for the best  :)
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: David E on January 04, 2013, 05:39:00 PM
Darn, just realised I missed off Opal White as well - could a mod please update my little list?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: Anne on January 05, 2013, 08:52:37 PM
Updated for you David.
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: Anne E.B. on January 06, 2013, 11:19:11 AM
Fabulous Art Deco design!
One on ebay in clear glass with the Anstells' squirrel motiff (midland Brewery I think) no. 221171545535.
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: keith on January 06, 2013, 07:39:26 PM
Tut,tut,Ansells please Anne and me being an ex Ansells beer drinker,didn't know any better then! ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design:
Post by: David E on January 07, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Thanks for the update - but I just realised the spelling of 'GOODDEN' in the subject line is also wrong.

The one listed on eBay is not the Goodden one. Chance probably stopped making these in the 1960s, or even earlier, so the date of 1980s (assuming it is correct) would not figure either. I suspect this one was made by Nazeing, but I agree it is similar to the Goodden style (a side view would be quite helpful!)
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on January 07, 2013, 10:06:01 AM
Is it?   :o
I remember double checking the spelling before posting but didn't use your site to check it.
Apologies.  It is spelt incorrectly elsewhere, which is where I checked. 
There is info on another designer called Robert Gooden.  Presumably that is where the incorrect spelling arose. 
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design:
Post by: David E on January 07, 2013, 10:30:52 AM
It sure is with a double-D. See Chance Expressions, p.14

See his obit here (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2002%2Fmar%2F26%2Fguardianobituaries.arts&ei=N6PqUOi8JueX0QWIy4G4Aw&usg=AFQjCNHS-iK7TTK99Vm974FUE9FJnnR7xg&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.d2k):

Perfectly understandable mistake to make.
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on January 07, 2013, 10:38:46 AM
eek,
see here - spelt wrongly everywhere then

http://www.architecture.com/LibraryDrawingsAndPhotographs/Albertopolis/TheStoryOf/RoyalCollegeOfArt/RoyalCollegeOfArt.aspx
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design:
Post by: David E on January 07, 2013, 10:51:38 AM
Not everywhere: Chance Expressions, p.14!  ;D
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert Gooden - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on January 07, 2013, 10:56:01 AM
So sorry David, I meant to say everywhere 'else' but got distracted.
Shall I report to mods and ask for it to be changed or have you?
Many thanks for pointing that out :)
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design:
Post by: David E on January 07, 2013, 11:15:42 AM
I haven't reported it, apart from mentioning it in an earlier post (see above, third one down).

But heck, I was looking through my own text for Chance Additions and found that I'd made the same natural spelling mistake  ::)
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: Anne on January 19, 2013, 12:39:07 PM
Title spelling amended at the top and bottom of the topic to GOODDEN, other replies left as Gooden as the search function will then respond if anyone searches on the wrong spelling too. :)
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on January 20, 2013, 09:02:41 AM
Thank you Anne :)
I think I've realised from reading other articles that there aren't two Robert Gooddens, it's just that his name has been variously spelt incorrectly lol.
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: Anne on January 20, 2013, 06:23:04 PM
:) I wish the search function was smart enough to realise it too, M! :)
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: flying free on January 20, 2013, 06:28:20 PM
 it's just that I said earlier in the thread that I thought there were two Roberts, one Gooden and another Goodden, and I thought I'd originally chosen the correct spelling.  I've now realised that he is one and the same designer, it's just that all seem to variously get his name wrong  ;D
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Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: David E on January 25, 2013, 09:01:17 AM
To update my previous findings (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,47354.msg288141.html#msg288141), then under MATTHEY CRINKLES can be added Green. I would also be most surprised if a Blue one doesn't surface at some time either.



Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: David E on January 25, 2013, 11:18:17 AM
Correction to above: A Blue one does exist.
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: David E on February 20, 2013, 10:39:55 PM
Why has it got Parker in relief script on the base?   Parker pens?

Bernard C.  8)

Just to update and correct this - the full name of the company is Parker Pipe Co. Ltd. The Parker Beacon was actually a cigarette lighter.
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: Simba on February 21, 2013, 10:44:46 AM
Just been looking up Parker company ...because of the Goodden ashtray I have found.. and see it was started by Alfred Dunhill so I guess these ashtrays were quite prestigous at that time. Any way I love it (Even though I hate smoking) and I totally agree the design is brilliant !!
Title: Re: Chance Ashtray Robert GOODDEN - Superb design: functional,beautiful,made to last
Post by: David E on February 21, 2013, 10:24:04 PM
Alfred Dunhill started Parker as a means to offload those pipes that didn't come up to scratch. Seconds if you like. But it must have proved quite a successful venture given the number of these ashtrays and other smoking memorabilia attributed to Parker.