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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: astrid on June 19, 2010, 07:36:59 AM
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I bought this beauty yesterday, and I've seen attributions on internet to Moser, a design by A. Matura, 50s or 60s. I'm in the proces of buying a Moser book, but I'm hoping someone who already has such a book, or more knowledge might be able to confirm this one.
It's approx. 26 cm high, 2.5 bij 2.5 cm at the rim, 4.2 cm bij 4.2 cm at the base, and the colour is a nice, light yellow (does that have a specific name?)
Got it for a very nice price, too. Gotta love people who redesign their home every few years and quickly want to flog old colours and designs. I almost didn't buy it because I thought it was 30s art deco...
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I would not attribute this piece to Matura, the best answer within few days you always can get from Moser support:
Can I have my formerly purchased item identified by Moser?
Please send us a product photo and a shot of the company’s logo on the bottom of the product at customerservice@moser-glass.com, fax them at +420 353 449 619 or mail them at the address MOSER, a.s., Kpt. Jaroše 46/19, 360 06 Karlovy Vary, Czech Republic.
I have very good experiences with Moser customer support.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskloslovenskesklo
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Thanks, I'll try it. The piece doesn't have a label, but I've seen at least three different attributions to Moser, so I'm hoping they'll recognize it and help me out regardless.
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It's not in the Moser book, but the selection illustrated is not comprehensive
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Ha, I got my answer already from the Moser identification department. They say it's not Moser. The style is not typical for them, and it would have been marked at the base if it was. And they told me they think it's Zelezny Brod.
I can very well see that the colour is typical for Zelezny Brod, but the design is not one I would have placed there (probably because Klinger is the main designer and the pieces I've seen from him are usually very flowing and organic, not geometrical).
Does anyone know other designers that worked for ZBS whose style is more in line with this piece? Or has anyone seen Klinger designs that are more angular?
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That is what I have expected. :-)
No, it is not Klinger, possibly Antonin Drobnik, has to be checked and confirmed.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Thanks again for sharing your wisdom, Jindrich. It will take me a long while to catch up (if ever) to your level of knowledge on Czech glass (but I'll try anyway).
If you have a source you could ask, I would be grateful. While there is an abundance of ZBS Klinger designs online and in books, I don't find much about other ZBS artists so far. You mentioned a number of names a while back, but if I do find anything about them, it's usually one-off sculptural works that have sold at auctions or museum pieces, nothing about the more accessible pieces.
I'm still missing more detailed good resource books or CDs on hot-worked and engraved czech glass...
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I have also very limited information about ZBS and ZBS designers.
ZBS factory closely co-operated with glassmaking school in Zelezny Brod teachers, we can remmember the names Miloslav Klinger, Jan Cerny, Antonin Drobnik, Bretislav Novak, Miloslav and Vaclav Platek, Jindrich Tockstein, Miloslav Jank; and many others.
You will not find any reasonable information about them at web, it is wok that still has to be done.
Very rough information about ZBS productioon and ZBS authors you can find at my web site
http://picasaweb.google.cz/Jindra8526/MuseumZeleznyBrod2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCP32qaus7sLMqAE#
where are some very poor pictures from museum in Zelezny Brod. I tried to make photes of shord descriptions of each author - there are in Czech and English so with a little patiency you can find more about some persons.
But to supply to you the fast and easy answer - who/where/when - will still need al lot of work.
Thanks to Marcus Newhall we have a brief evidence about Sklo Union production, with help of bOBA we are now more familiar with Skrdlovice, ZBS should be the nest.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cy/ceskloslovenskesklo
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Hi,
I have one of these in green in my collection and it has a ZBS label on it. Its a 70s style label if I recall correctly.
Thanks,
Richard
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Great Aurora, thanks for the ZBS confirmation on this piece. I hope we will eventually find out more about who designed it.
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Just some followup: I saw a neodymium pink one turn up on ebay today with a golden coloured early ZBS label, which would make it from the 50s-60s (according to Mark Hill).
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Hi,
Jindrich will know about this already, and may have further comment to make.
One of these vases (at 26cm) high) appeared in the recent Sypka (sypka.cz) Czech glass auction in Prague as lot 160. It was attributed to Miroslav Klinger from the 1960s-70s, and is apparently shown in Sindelar's book, in Volf Petr's publication 'Forty Years of Existence of Zeleznobrodke Sklo' and in the 43/1988 edition of GR, by which I presume they mean Czech Glass Review.
Not typical of his style for sure.
Mark
P.S.; it's well worth checking the auction out, all, as the estimates seem very reasonable to me when compared to prices in the UK/US/Western Europe. I'm not sure what the lots actually fetched, nor am I sure how shipping would work, but it's worth a look anyway to enrich the eyes and mind!
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Thanks Mark, that's an interesting link to keep an eye on. Three publications is more than enough for me to be convinced, I'm glad a proper attribution for this vase can now be made.
Astrid
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This ebay listing pointed me to Christie´s:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Seltene-Vase-Leerdam-Entw-F-L-Wright-/260738609384?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item3cb53b70e8
Perhaps you should consider to take your vase there, it might give you the means to expend
your collection.
http://www.christie.com.cn/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?intObjectID=3631697
;D :wsh:
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It's funny and sad at the same time, Dirk...
I haven't seen these designs they mention in the text, but personally I thought that FLW only designed this particular vase for Leerdam:
http://www.nationaalglasmuseum.nl/index.php?option=com_memorixbeeld&view=record&Itemid=25&id=gla:col1:dat48135&tstart=
As they admit they can't find the evidence the vase was every produced in Leerdam, they should have been a little more careful IMO with the attribution. Could be that Klinger of course got inspired by the FLW designs and/or reproduced the idea for ZBS at some point.
Does anyone know whether the story about these designs by FLW checks out?
Anyway, it's sad this misattribution is allowed to linger on... they should at least change their website (but of course, if they admitted to their mistake, would that leave the buyer a claim?)
Astrid
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Heya!
I have a similar looking one but the cutting is different. The hollow is also narrower and it has a polished pontil. I took a look through CGR 1988 at Jindrichs site but couldn't find it. Any ideas?
https://picasaweb.google.com/106370355733525107342/BohemiaGlas#5560694220468905202
Best Regards
Emil
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It certainly looks similar enough to me to be a variation on the same vase.
Astrid
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Astrid,
True, but then again the history of glassmaking is littered with examples of glassworks copying, such as the case with the "Börnevas" and Skrdlovice.
Best Regards
Emil
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Oh, and I forgot to mention that my vase is triangular!
Best Regards
Emil
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Leerdam did not produce FLW glass. The director at the time invited FLW to design a vase but more as a pretext for a luxury holiday to the US. It was a long shot. Leerdam did not have the capacity to produce the one vase he designed and that was the end of the matter. Leerdam went broke in 1938 as a result of mismanagement and too many luxury trips and it is a disgrace that the factory still maintains that FLW designed for them. For geometric panel cut vases in rare earth colours, look at Moser, look at ZBS, at Italy or look at Ilmglass - not at Leerdam.