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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chuggy on April 16, 2006, 09:30:43 PM
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Bought this lamp today, the body and base are wonderful solid marble with chrome fittings and it screams 1930's, but it's the shade that really does it for me. Circular glass with the lower 2/3 having a vaseling like opaqueness. the top has 4 deep ridges that go into the inside with the appearance of fork lightening and the top has a vaseline like amber area. The effect when lit is wonderful and never seen a shade like it so any ideas anyone, overall height is 22" and weighs a ton.
http://i3.tinypic.com/vooi8p.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/vooldi.jpg
Paul
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AMAZING, Paul!
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I've never come across a lamp quite like it so we are now trying to find the right place in the house for it as I'd like to keep it. The trouble is I'm a sucker for lights and I've just got back the two I bought in France from being rewired so a bit of rethink called for tomorrow.
Paul
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I'd take more time for that than one night only! I am sure that in the bottom of your heart you knew its place when buying it :wink:
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I've got an antique lacquered and hand painted octagonal Korean hat box that I bought when I worked out there in the late 1970's and I think it will probably end up on that in the lounge.
Also bought a deco double inkwell and a big buch of lovely 18th century iron keys.
Paul
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I'm really a minimalist at heart, but it just never seems to work out that way.
Paul
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I think Nic's the lamp expert, but I do search ebay for Peill & Putzler art glass sometimes. They did a lot of lighting, and I'm sure I've seen similar shades in the passing......
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The effect when lit is wonderful and never seen a shade like it so any ideas anyone, overall height is 22" and weighs a ton.
Peill & Putzler used to make very similar ones. There's a large junk shop in York that has 3 or 4 of these in stock if you ever accidentally break that one, though. I'm not 100% sure that the shade is original, as I've only ever seen them used as ceiling lamp shades before. But I'd be very pleased to be wrong!
Oops... just read all the threads (I've only just noticed it's spread over 2 pages), and Sue beat me to the P&P attribution... :D
The trouble is I'm a sucker for lights and I've just got back the two I bought in France from being rewired so a bit of rethink called for tomorrow.
You should see my place! :shock: It's fun when you get to combine lamps and glass, though! :D
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As a real rookie where lighting is concerned, I'm surprised by the thickness and weight of the glass shade, far heavier than I expected, would this be typical of P&P work?
Paul
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I really couldn't answer that - the only absolutely verified P&P lamps I've seen are from literature and eBay - I've never bought any or seen any in design shops or antique fairs that I could handle for myself. The ones in York I mentioned had no labels, so I couldn't say for certain that they were by P&P.
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:D :D :D
Hello Paul, I wouldn't really know either. They made a lot, all different styles and uses.
I bought a beautiful lampshade, cased coloured glass that was quite thin and arrived in 1000 pieces. The shade was not marked, but the fittings were.
I'm not positive your thing is not a marriage.
All I can suggest is to search Peill & Putzler in ebay and see what comes up! (I always have to search worldwide to get it to come up)
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I had a look on eBay for this kind of shade so I could post up some links, but no one seems to be selling any - not as P&P, anyway...
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I saw these and thought of this thread... :D
SHADES AUCTION (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4460591631&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1)
LAMP AUCTION (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6277576849&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1)
The lamp auction indicates that the lamp at the beginning of this thread might not be a marriage after all, which is always good.
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I bought this today...I immediately thought Peill & Putzler when I saw it. It's a humungous lightshade made from thick glass with random captured bubbles, silvering and black/grey streaks - I think it's wonderful. Measuring about 10" in diameter.
The brass cap has been painted silver at some point, and some strange residue has marked the unpolished glass of the neck with an odd rusty colour. That colouration isn't due to glass, it's a residue.
http://i8.tinypic.com/25je71x.jpg (somehow my hand makes it look smaller than it actually is here)
http://i8.tinypic.com/25je7ie.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/25je7pz.jpg
The shop actually had TWO of them, but I've only bought one...should I go back and get the other? :?
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Max, how could you only buy one? Go back and get the other NOW! :wink:
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Max, how could you only buy one? Go back and get the other NOW! :wink:
Well, if someone confirms it's P & P, then I might! :lol: Although Marinot would be acceptable too. :wink:
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Oh Paul, now that is some piece of glass
I am assuming you don't DO subtle then? :lol:
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Max, how could you only buy one? Go back and get the other NOW! :wink:
I second that.
Purely from a resale point of view, in my experience, lamps in pairs always sell at a premium.
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I second that.
Purely from a resale point of view, in my experience, lamps in pairs always sell at a premium.
Umm...I can see that, but it depends how much you pay and how much you think you can get back on re-sell...
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Ah, good point, Max. I always assume everyone else is a tight-fisted bargain-scavenger.... like wot I am. :lol:
Out of curiousity.... how much did it dent your purse by?
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Max that's gorgeous - what a fabulous piece of workmanship - what does it look like with a lit bulb inside?
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Max that's gorgeous - what a fabulous piece of workmanship - what does it look like with a lit bulb inside?
No idea Pip...I'll try that tomorrow. 8)
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:D :D :D
I've paid something between peanuts, something-probably-less-than-it-cost-to-make, and twice probably a reasonable price, for shleiergraphit.
I have confidence in it. :shock:
Look at all the positive responses to it from glassies. 8)
Look at it's (possible) pedigree. :? 8)
Every piece is completely individual. 8)8)
Ivo has some. 8) 8) 8)
I would not have left another lamp behind! :twisted:
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Invariably lamps like these tend to be made up by an importer/lighting firm using components from various different sources.
The shade is interesting. I had one similar some time ago, and I have seen others.
My unsubstantiated theory for years has been that they are Czech and were designed by Pavel Hlava and I suspect that quite a number were produced. (If not PH then one of his students)
So I'm going to email the link to Marcus for his opinion. :D
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:D :D :D
Max, is there a "back-to-back" double P engraved anywhere on it? The mark can be hard to find. Every bit I have is marked, (just checked, but it does actually look like a tall little triangle, with an oval shape floating on top of it today, rather than back-to-back P's!). The mark is about 8mm tall, total. I don't have a lampshade, though.
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My unsubstantiated theory for years has been that they are Czech and were designed by Pavel Hlava and I suspect that quite a number were produced. (If not PH then one of his students)
To avoid confusion, I'm talking about Paul's lamp, not Max's..... :D
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My unsubstantiated theory for years has been that they are Czech and were designed by Pavel Hlava and I suspect that quite a number were produced. (If not PH then one of his students)
Deja vu?
Actually, I think that this discussion came up some time ago, possibly on the old board, and I have a feeling that Marcus said that it was by Jaroslav Brychta. But then, maybe I dreamt it! :D
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Hi,
Personal feeling is that this is a marriage.
Hlava is not normally associated with lampshade manufacturers in Czechoslovakia, as far as I am aware. imho, 60's or later for the shade.
Will do some research, but family commitments until Tuesday, so please be patient.
Regards,
Marcus
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If it is a marriage, it seems to be a commonly executed one - I've seen two near-identical ones on eBay since, and another at a car boot sale.
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I agree it's a marriage. The shade is from a ceiling light fitting in my view, and there would probably be three, five, or seven per fitting. Possibly even more.
The turned over edge is designed to secure ia shade on a pendant shade. While this is found on table lamps, it is not necessary.
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I think the shade is 1970s Murano glass, probably by Tony Zuccheri. He did a series of molded objects with the same distinctive indentations.
I have seen tons of these shades around, usually with 1970s-ish chrome hardware. Most Murano shades were sold without hardward, and purchased by lamp companies that assembled them. I vote that the base is a marriage, or assembled by a style-challenged lamp distributor.
The hanging shade could be P&P. Barovier also did something similar called 'efeso.'
Laura
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This one (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2996) is the Schleiergraphit hall lamp from P&P - Max you just might remember seeing it? And confirming that yours is one as well.
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Thanks for the pic Ivo, I think I do remember it...at the bottom of the stairs? Mine has much more carbon though, not sure whether I prefer that or the lighter more silvery effect.
Sue has suggested looking for a P&P mark (thanks Sue). Would you know if all P&P is marked? I've had a look over the lamp, but can't find anything so far - but it's a BIG lamp and hard to see marks to be honest.
I wonder if I should have bought the other matching lamp? It was another £30, so I baulked a bit... :x
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The lamp is not marked, but the vases are marked with the etched P mark just above the stand, or on the bottom. Not sure if this was consistent or not. I can imagine that 30 ukp for another one would be stretching it. Nice to have an example, but it has to remain a hobby.
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Ivo said:
Nice to have an example, but it has to remain a hobby.
But I aspire to a glass collection the size of yours! And I'm getting there too. :oops: :lol:
On the lamp front, it depends whether I can find somewhere for both lamps to go in the house. If I don't find somewhere for both of them, then I'll keep this one as an example...as you said. Thanks Ivo. x
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:D :shock: :D
I think you must be labouring under the idea that 30ukp is a lot of money, Ivo - probably the exchange rate!
Where in the shops can you buy a decent lampshade, new, for 30 ukp?
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Where in the shops can you buy a decent lampshade, new, for 30 ukp?
Ikea? :wink: :lol:
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I said a DECENT lampshade, David!
This means that the offending light bulb must be discretely hidden, but good ambient light distributed around the room, or where it is required. The design should blend nicely, or compliment the decor.
Michael took me to Ikea once. He will never darken their doors again. Not even to save money.
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I said a DECENT lampshade, David!
Pfooo what nonsense. Ikea make the best designed light & fittings in the business, just after Artemide. :idea: :idea: :idea:
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Only because most of their designs are heavily plagiarised from 1930s-70s Italian and Danish designs... :evil:
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:D :? :D
I will bow to your opinion Ivo.
We will remain, forever, blissfully ignorant of the products of Ikea.
It was a nightmare experience, never to be repeated.