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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: ChrisStewart on March 25, 2007, 07:56:59 PM
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Hi,
Can anyone identify this pearline dish: http://www.cloudglass.com/examples/pearline_dish.jpg (http://www.cloudglass.com/examples/pearline_dish.jpg). It is just over 12.5 inches long.
In design and size it is identical to a Davidson 902 cucumber dish which was in production from 1895 to the early 1950s. I have a vague memory that this dish has been attributed to someone else, but cannot remember who.
Regards
Chris
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The mould looks like Sowerby 12" cucumber 2153. Don't know about the colour.
Adam D.
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And like a Bagley 12-in Cucumber pattern 2, but not the colour
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Chris — It looks to me as if it could well be the unknown Greener / Jobling No. 1 Shell. Nos. 2 (round) and 3 (short oval) were still being advertised in Jobling's c. 1935 trade catalogue, although by then only in flint.
See also the variety of round shells attributed with some reservation to Bagley in Bowey, Parsons & Parsons. These authors may not have been aware of the Greener / Jobling contribution to this attribution nightmare.
I cannot help wondering if there was a shell mould salesman, who successfully worked his way around most of the pressed glass houses.
Nice find, Chris.
Bernard C. 8)
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This pattern is also very similar to Duncan and Miller Sanibel. I checked my books and there is no record of one made in this long, narrow shape.
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Chris
It is definitely Davidson. It is an ice cream/banana split dish that appeared with other ice cream dishes in a Davidson ad in 1912. This shape came in two sizes. There was also a shell shape that came in two sizes and I have the smaller shell in clear and blue pearline and the larger (5 1/2") in primrose pearline. I shared this info with this group about 2 years ago, and forgot to attribute the information was acquired from John Bell, a collector/dealer from England. Bell then responded to this group that it would have been nice if I would have mentioned where I got the info. I don't know the previous link to the former discussion, so I figure I will just generate the info again! I printed the full page ad in a previous issue of the GLOWING REPORT (sept 2004). just barely visible in the top right corner of the ad is the stylized letters GD made into a circle. There was also a glass blower in the top left corner. the original ad showed this much more clearly, but i just pulled out my old Glowing Report and quickly scanned the page for this posting.
http://www.vaselineglass.org/davidsonad.jpg (http://www.vaselineglass.org/davidsonad.jpg)
I recently went to a friends house, and they had two sizes of this dish!
I forgot to measure them, but the ad does not mention two different sizes.
http://www.vaselineglass.org/icecreampair.jpg (http://www.vaselineglass.org/icecreampair.jpg)
Also shown in the ad is the little shell ice cream dish (4th item down on right side). Here is my collection of that dish shape, in two sizes. the metal frame/cradle is for the clear dish. Due to the opalescent reheating of the blue pearline dish, it does not quite fit perfectly the little stamped metal cradle, even though they are both the 4 1/2" size. All three are Davidson from this ad. The primrose measures 5 1/2" long, the two others measure 4 1/2" long. http://www.vaselineglass.org/davidsonictrio.jpg (http://www.vaselineglass.org/davidsonictrio.jpg)
In rereading your original question, Chris, it seems one era they marketed the long 902 as a pickle dish, and then later brought it into service as ice cream servers by adding the primrose pearline color so it looked more like ice cream!!
regards
Dave
aka: Mr. Vaseline Glass
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In rereading your original question, Chris, it seems one era they marketed the long 902 as a pickle dish, and then later brought it into service as ice cream servers by adding the primrose pearline color so it looked more like ice cream!!
regards
Dave
aka: Mr. Vaseline Glass
And they say that marketing spin is a late 20th century phenomenon.... 8)
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Hi All,
I think you all have confirmed my own view this was a Davidson 902 12½ ” cucumber dish. What concerned me was that Sowerby, Greener and Bagley made similar if not identical dishes (and both Sowerby and Greener made pearline). Also the white of the pearline was a bit too regular when compared with other Davidson examples.
This dish was introduced in 1895 – at the height of pearline production, which fits. The 902 was made in two sizes 9½ and 12½ (from 1938 a 11” size was also made). I think the 902 Banana split must be the 9½ version.
Incidentally the dealer who sold this had it down as Fenton.
Dave – your advert is not from 1912 – it is a page from a 1928 catalogue. The No. 1 ladle, 247/249 sundaes, No 50 syrup goblet and 696 ‘hygenic ware’ fruit salad bowl all date from the late 1920s.
Regards
Chris
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Chris
any idea when the shell ice cream dishes in blue and primrose pearline were made?
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Davidson introduced the first shell dishes in 1901. So I think the pearline ones were made pre-WWI, most likely at the start of their production.
Regards
Chris