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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: sandymae on May 08, 2010, 04:15:01 AM

Title: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray. ID = Salviati & Co.
Post by: sandymae on May 08, 2010, 04:15:01 AM
Can anyone ID this one for me? Its very thick walled, in amber & green, very heavy for its size, about 12cms across and stands 6cms.
Unfortunatly the label is well past reading.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12825
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12827
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12826
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Sandy
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: kane_u_pain on May 11, 2010, 10:06:09 AM
*Screams in frustration... :cry:

Throw a good green & amber piece in my direction and look out!  ;D Shame the label is unreadable! Can't help with an id on this as I have not seen this shape before. Absolutely beautiful and a good find.  :hiclp:

Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 11, 2010, 07:31:42 PM
Can anyone ID this one for me? Its very thick walled, in amber & green, very heavy for its size, about 12cms across and stands 6cms.
Unfortunatly the label is well past reading........................Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Sandy

Hi Sandy:
You say - Any help would be appreciated??  I do not think the label is unreadable.....as we can clearly see that the label is *round* so that is a starting point. 

LOL  :24:

But that is the truth.  The lettering might not be readable, but we know we can start to narrow it down by just the shape of the label.  I wonder IF you took some really light tracing paper, and a pencil - and put the paper over the label, and rub with the pencil on the tracing paper -- IF you would be able to pick up any of the old raised?? letter forms.

Another stupid idea here -- would other types of light sources of different color (Eg. UV, yellow, purple, blue, orange, direct sunlight, green, etc) ever help to (poss) pick up *some* letters.  Why I am thinking that is -- when you see those things like *mind teasers* thing of different colors, your eyes see something else in it due to the color.  So by trying different colors of light sources over this label (and also take a picture, as the camera sees differently than the eye) and see IF anything is readable that way.

See the idea here (scroll down):  http://brainden.com/eye-illusions.htm

Just a thought...  :ac1:
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: sandymae on May 11, 2010, 10:50:59 PM
Now thats a great idea, antiquerose :thup: The label edges have curled over into the label and I thought I may be able to even them out, but its pretty fragile, I'd hate to do more damage to it. Will give it a rub with the pencil, see if anything comes up.

Also thanks Kane, I've looked everwhere on the net for this shape, and come up with nothing.  :hb1:
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: kane_u_pain on May 11, 2010, 11:07:35 PM
I noticed the shaped of the label. Does it look like it could have had scalloped edges or do you think it was completely round?
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: sandymae on May 11, 2010, 11:13:05 PM
Hi Kane, did think that it could be the round scalloped old Seguso label, maybe if I steamed it a little it might loosen up the edges enough to see if they are scalloped?
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: kane_u_pain on May 11, 2010, 11:18:40 PM
I had that same thought last night. Could be the old Seguso label or heaven forbid, the 'Generic' murano label, but the label looks to big for that. But my thoughts tend to rule out the generic part for this bowl.  ;D

I don't know about the steaming on this, maybe someone else could give a better opinion on whether this would work. I tend to leave labels alone, whether partially readable or not. Only because i am to scared to ruin the label  :spls: LOL
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: sandymae on May 11, 2010, 11:24:22 PM
Totally agree, don't like doing to much with it, it is round, not like the shape of the generic label.
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: tam bam on May 12, 2010, 12:40:42 AM
Hi SandyMae,

Can you determine if the label on your piece is gold or silver?  I was just curious?  I could be totally off in left field over here but I have a wild hunch.  Could your piece possibly be a Galliano Ferro piece.  Ferro made a gold and a silver label.  Here is a silver one that I found of a cute little bird:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MODERN-Galliano-Ferro-MURANO-Glass-BIRD-Sculpture-LABEL-/370367213215

and here are some bookends with a gold label:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Galliano-Ferro-Art-Glass-Pin-Wheel-Bookends-Murano-/370367016897?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563b982fc1

I thought I would just throw this out here as a wild card.

tam bam
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: sandymae on May 12, 2010, 02:43:54 AM
Hi Tam Bam, It may be silver, not sure as all color is gone. Have taken a close up of the label, and has me really confused now. I can make out 2 i's and at the end I think its a large styilised E, I think at the bottom is Made in Italy, but I could be wrong.
Here's a close up of it, hope someone may recognise it, have looked through all the Murano labels, but nothing with an E.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12837
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: sandymae on May 12, 2010, 03:12:46 AM
Another closeup, maybe its something &co?
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12838
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: sandymae on May 12, 2010, 03:41:14 AM
Could it be Salviati & co?  I see in my Italian Glass that Luciano Gaspari designed heavy sommerso for them, then went onto Flygsfors. Anyone else think the label reads Salviati?
Keeping fingers crossed here :D
Sandy
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: kane_u_pain on May 12, 2010, 09:21:41 AM
Try brushing some white powder, talc or flour over the label. It might highlight the indentation/raised areas on the label to make it more easy to read. You could easily wipe (dry cloth) or blow the rest off after. It might help.  ;D
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: TxSilver on May 12, 2010, 11:34:43 AM
The & looks like the one used by Salviati & C. I think you're right, Sandymae. I can also see the Salviati. It looks like the label on the bottom of this c. 1960 dog.
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: tam bam on May 12, 2010, 02:28:15 PM
 :D I would also say mystery solved!  Yay!!!!  The close up sure did help in this case.  :hiclp:

tam bam
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: kane_u_pain on May 12, 2010, 11:22:45 PM
Excellent! Love it when these green & amber pieces can be identified. Thanks TX and excellent find sandymae :hiclp:
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: sandymae on May 13, 2010, 01:08:14 AM
 :hiclp: :kissy:Thanks so much everyone, yes that is the same label, would'nt have solved it without all the help from you. Thank you, thank you.
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: sandymae on May 13, 2010, 01:15:13 AM
TxSilver many thanks for the photo of the label. :hiclp: I don't see it in the Murano labels, could you post a photo there for reference?
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: TxSilver on May 13, 2010, 01:17:23 AM
Excellent! Love it when these green & amber pieces can be identified. Thanks TX and excellent find sandymae :hiclp:

We have to give sandymae credit for this one. I just agreed with her.

Isn't it strange that sometimes we see things in pictures that we can't with our eyes? It happens with me a lot.
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: kane_u_pain on May 13, 2010, 11:50:37 PM
We'll call it a team effort.

Kane - drooled
Sandmae - deciphered the label
TXsilver - confirmed with a full label

A job well down! ;D
Title: Re: Chunky Green & Amber Ashtray.
Post by: TxSilver on May 14, 2010, 12:39:51 AM
TxSilver many thanks for the photo of the label. :hiclp: I don't see it in the Murano labels, could you post a photo there for reference?

Done! I posted pictures of the five Salviati labels and signatures I have.