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Title: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: dorian_graye on May 19, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
Hello all.  I recently purchased this trio of vases at an estate auction.  The style and shape look like a Flavio Poli design.  The bases are highly polished and smooth.  The sides are sheered to show the interior.  The exterior surface is very rough and bubbly.  I'm guessing it's considered "corroso".  The largest is 9" inches, 7" inches, and 3" inches.
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: tam bam on May 19, 2010, 08:11:38 PM
Hi Dorian_graye,

I love your newly aquired glass vessels.  I do have a few questions about them though if you do not mind me asking.  Do the vessels have any labels or signatures by chance?  Do the bottoms of the vessels appear to have any shelf wear from age? 

All and all, I am just not sure as to who the maker is but I do see that there is quality in your vessels and I think they are wonderful and I sure would have snatched them up.  They are very striking and have shelf appeal that's for sure. 

tam bam
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: dorian_graye on May 19, 2010, 08:32:25 PM
!!! Thank you for answering my post!!!  There is a bit of shelf wear on them, but not much.  The curious thing is that the smallest one has a white spider web crack on it's base and the rim of that one has been polished.  My inclination is to think that it must have fallen off a shelf and the person cared enough about the pieces to have the rim professionally polished, as I'm assuming it was chipped as well.  Otherwise, I don't see why that would be the only of the three with a cut and polished rim.  And no, there are no signatures or markings.  Have you ever come across a surface texture, such as these?
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: tam bam on May 19, 2010, 09:15:11 PM
They appear to be corroso to me too.  Your vessels do appear to be more modern to me.  This is just a guessimate (perhaps (80's/90's) but I could be all wrong so do not quote me on this.  Your vessels are very intriguing to me.  Whoever the designer was they put a lot of thought into them.

tam bam
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: dorian_graye on May 19, 2010, 09:25:32 PM
Intriguing to me, as well.  I think you might be right.  They look sort of 80's to me too....which is okay by me!  I love me some things from the 80's.  Coincidentally, I just purchased a "How High The Moon" chair by Shiro Kuramata from a separate auction than these vessels.  There are some great designs from the 80's and I look forward to seeing more of that coming around again.  Again, thanks for your post and if you think or see of anything similar, please get back with me.

Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: kane_u_pain on May 20, 2010, 04:43:58 AM
Not Poli. My guess would be more modern. Base shots?
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: horochar on May 21, 2010, 02:39:36 AM
I believe that they are Chinese or Eastern European in origin.  I've seen comparable pieces, surprisingly (not?) in Antique Malls being pawned off as Murano.  Then I found one with a made in China label.  Not same colors or forms as yours, but close enough stylistically to give concern.  Not that the ones I saw were low quality.  To the contrary, the quality was superb.  Valuewise, however, I have concerns.
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: dorian_graye on May 21, 2010, 03:35:38 AM
Oh, that's too bad.  Such a shame.  Well, guess we will have to write another one off to the Chinese.  :'(
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: langhaugh on May 21, 2010, 06:43:44 AM
I agree Chinese. Not corroso either. The effect seems to have been achieved physically (blast with glue? Marver on a dimpled surface and reheat?) whereas corroso is chemical. The acid has actually eaten away part of the surface of the glass. I'm finding a lot of Chinese glass with facet cuts like this. It's not done by many Murano makers.

David
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: dorian_graye on May 21, 2010, 01:11:11 PM
Blast with glue?  What is that?
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: dorian_graye on May 22, 2010, 08:51:19 PM
I think this type of crunchy looking glass on top is referred to as "overshot".
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: flying free on May 22, 2010, 09:25:22 PM
Sorry I can't add anything as I have no idea.  However two things, firstly I think they are pretty fab, they make a great display, very sculptural, and secondly, could we see a picture of the base please?  I just like to put the two things together and it helps if anyone sees something similar in the future (as well as sometimes helping with id'ing in the present).
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Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: langhaugh on May 22, 2010, 10:37:38 PM
I've just looked at the pieces and revised my opinion. I thought the pieces were pitted. However, when I look at the pieces closely, it is the overshot technique. It's not like the overshot with Fratelli Toso where the grains of glass are quite fine and are not smoothed over by reheating the parison. A Fratelli Toso piece feels like sandpaper. The glass pieces on your pieces look a little larger and seem to have been partially melted after being applied to the pieces.  I still think they're Chinese as I've seen facet cutting and overshot combined on quite a few Chinese pieces.

David
Title: Re: Trio Cobalt Blue Sommerso Corroso Vases Polished Sides & Base-Flavio Poli?
Post by: Cathy B on May 31, 2010, 06:09:14 AM
Definitely, and you could probably have found it on the ZX glass website, had they not just changed the web address again.