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Title: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, ID = Ladena Viznerova for SU
Post by: rocco on May 13, 2011, 03:52:21 PM
Bought this miniature jardiniere today.
Looks like a shrunken Vizner piece ;D

Height 5.5 cm, width 7 cm (not much bigger than a box of matches)

Pressed glass, pinkish colour, textured surface. Base finish identical to other Sklo Union pieces.
Any ideas?

Anik, maybe a relative to your Polish vase for violets? http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,39178.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,39178.0.html)

Thanks!
Michael


Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: Anik R on May 14, 2011, 07:56:45 PM
Sorry, Michael, but I haven't a clue...   :hi:
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: Greg. on May 14, 2011, 08:12:50 PM

the same as these I believe, although not textured. There's also one shown in Mark Hills book on page 18, although  states that the designer is unknown. Again the one shown is not textured.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-SKLO-UNION-PINK-GLASS-WINGED-VASE-F-VIZNER-/330522303611?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item4cf4aa1c7b
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: Anik R on May 14, 2011, 08:33:54 PM
I don't think Michael's is the same as the vase on page 18...  his doesn't taper at the top.
As for the vases in your link, I believe they are a Vizner design for Hermanova pattern number 20053.

Michael, Emil has got your little vase in his gallery.  See his website:  http://www.bohemiaglas.se/page1.html (http://www.bohemiaglas.se/page1.html)

 :)

Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: rocco on May 14, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
Thank you very much, Anik and GBarfoot!

I have looked into Emil's gallery very often, but never noticed this vase...
Seems to be the same as mine (and also a relative of the one to the right of it, with the Bohemia label).

So I can be quite sure it is Czech, then.
But if Emil hasn't found out what it is, it will be difficult I guess...

What about the pink colour -- quite unusual for Sklo Union?

At least I finally found a vase which doesn't take up too much space ;D

Michael
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: Anik R on May 15, 2011, 03:23:31 AM
According to Marcus Newhall's website, pink was used by some Sklo Union glassworks.  For a list of colours, see here (scroll down): http://www.sklounion.com/SkloID.html

 :hi:
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: rocco on May 15, 2011, 07:38:31 AM
Thank you Anik!
Very interesting; I have a Vladislav Urban vase in a peachy pink colour like the ones GBarfoot linked to, but this midget think has a pink/amethyst hue (looks like Neodymium, but it isn't).

Michael
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: Bonsaismurf on May 15, 2011, 10:05:26 AM
I've seen a labeled one before so it's definetly Czech. All I know about it is that it isn't a Vizner design (according to Jindrich).

Best Regards
Emil
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: rocco on June 22, 2011, 09:00:31 PM
I just saw that the very same vase in the Sklo Union collection sale was identified by our friend Jindrich as a design by Ladena Viznerova!
http://sklo-union-glass.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=47&category_id=50&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://sklo-union-glass.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=47&category_id=50&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

Great, one mystery less! :thup:

Michael

Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: Bonsaismurf on June 23, 2011, 01:02:24 PM
Sweet! Then I'm just going to assume that the other object that seems to be in the same range is designed by her as well.

http://bohemiabloggen.blogspot.com/2011/03/inte-en-enda-sidvisning.html (http://bohemiabloggen.blogspot.com/2011/03/inte-en-enda-sidvisning.html)

Best Regards
Emil
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: Anik R on June 23, 2011, 02:00:02 PM
Lovely to have an attribution, Michael!  I saw this vase on the Sklo-Union sale site a few days ago, but couldn't find this thread or send you a personal message for lack of envelope icon by your name.  :)

I was thinking...  Isn't it a shame that Ladena Viznerova got little or no acclaim or acknowledgement for her pressed glass designs?  I've been through all the CGR available on Jindrich's site several times and I don't think I've ever seen any of her designs among the pages.  Her 13192 vase, for example, is beautiful.  It seems to me that in those times, she was simply known as Vizner's (ex)wife whose few designs were influenced by his.  Kind of sad.  Maybe I'm just being melancholic.  (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sad/sad0047.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-scared-smileys.php)
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: rocco on June 23, 2011, 03:21:02 PM
Thanks, Anik! I had spotted the vase already some weeks ago on that site, but then it was labeled "designer unknown".

And you are absolutely right that female designers seem to have a harder time earning equal acknowledgement for their work than their male collegues...

Look at Charles and Ray Eames for instance, who always designed as a couple (and she as a trained sculptor was at least equally important); still her name was omitted in most literature until the 1980s.

I even saw an interesting example in CGR: while the Mstisov "Pizzicato" range is featured as being designed by the young Hana Machovska, only a few issues later when another Mstisov range is presented, the Pizzicato design is attributed to Frantisek Zemek...

Luckily for us Czech glass collectors, women in communism could work quite freely in this metier (even if sometimes less acknowledged), similar in Scandinavian countries, whereas it is easier to find a needle in a haystack than a female designer in postwar Germany/Austria.

I have to admit that I am always particularly happy when I aquire a beautiful piece designed by a woman :)

Michael
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, Sklo Union-ish base
Post by: Anik R on June 23, 2011, 04:46:05 PM
It seems to me that a selection of women did play quite a well documented role in the world of Czech blown and moulded glass.  The story seems very different with pressed glass, however.  Looking at the resources we've got available, it appears that women played no role in designing.  Even Marcus Newhall's book makes no reference to any female designer.  I suppose it could be that women simply did not design pressed glass items, or if they did, their contributions were few and hence deemed too insignificant for greater recognition.

Hmmm...  Besides Viznerova, do we know of other women who designed pressed glass?  :-\
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, ID = Ladena Viznerova for SU
Post by: rocco on July 02, 2011, 10:36:29 AM
Dear mods, could this be moved to the Czech/Bohemia sub-forum please?

Plus I noticed that quite a lot of my older threads with a positive ID (several German items for instance) didn't get moved to the particular sub-forum either.
Should I send you a list of those, or is this not necessary/favoured (and I should just be patient)? :D

Thanks!
Michael
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, ID = Ladena Viznerova for SU
Post by: Cathy B on July 02, 2011, 12:12:09 PM
Sure, if you would like to point them out that's fine.

There are four mods, and a massive volume of threads to move! We do our best, but it can be hard to keep up.  If you want to find a thread, it's best to use the Search facility.
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, ID = Ladena Viznerova for SU
Post by: rocco on July 02, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
Cathy, thank you so much!

I am aware that you cannot follow each of the hundreds of threads here to see if there is an ID given somewhere...
That's why I would gladly provide the info which of my items have been identified.
And all of you 4 mods are doing a really great job here! :hiclp:
This is one of the most pleasant forums I have ever participated in...
Thanks!

Michael
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, ID = Ladena Viznerova for SU
Post by: Jindra8526 on July 02, 2011, 03:50:36 PM
The attribution of this piece came from Mr. Vladislav Urban.
Just a funny story, I have shown this piece to Mr. Vizner a year or two ago and he told me that it is unknown to him who had made it. Mr. Urban, however told me, that this piece had been designed by his ex-wife Ladena and Frantisek surely knew it, becouse it was a big issue in their atelier - you can see that Ladena has been strongly "inspired" by Frantisek s design.

They shared one atelier in Rudolfofva hut in 60ties - artists Jurnikl, Vizner, Urban, and technitians Viznerova and another lady, the name of her I have forgotten.

Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, ID = Ladena Viznerova for SU
Post by: Anik R on July 03, 2011, 03:12:55 AM
Jindrich, I greatly appreciate and enjoy the behind-the-scenes stories you share with us. I find them fascinating.  Thank you! (http://serve.mysmiley.net/happy/happy0153.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-ashamed-smileys.php)
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, ID = Ladena Viznerova for SU
Post by: Cathy B on July 03, 2011, 08:43:00 AM
I agree, thank you Jindrich! These little anecdotes add so much and the recent death of Frantisek Vizner shows how important it is to get them recorded somewhere.
Title: Re: mini-mini-miniature pink pressed glass jardiniere, ID = Ladena Viznerova for SU
Post by: rocco on July 05, 2011, 09:27:36 AM
Jindrich, thanks for the great info! -- Without you this cute little vase would have stayed unidentified forever...

Cathy, thanks for moving my old threads! Greatly appreciated :)

Michael