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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chriscooper on September 15, 2012, 01:40:53 PM
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Miles out of my depth even with the description.
Thought Scottish maybe purely based on the fact all the other pieces are? Thin and lightweight uncased glass some of the bubbles are clear and can be felt from the inside. It's 6" across
Thanks Chris
https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/Untitled32#
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Not uranium, doubt Scottish, probably Nazeing. :)
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would agree the colour does look like Nazeing yellow Chris - and if from that factory, then this shape appears to have a catalogue reference No. 86/1 (bowl with curved base) - although regret can't add anything re the size.
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Did consider Nazeing I have a couple of bucket vases in my album but the casing and polished pontil mark on these led me away :-[
Thanks Chris
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It looks like a heat-finished pontil mark . ???
(on the bit posted)
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I know :) and not cased either that's what led me away from Nazeing because the other pieces I have are cased with a polished pontil mark.
Chris
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My bigger pieces of Nazeing are packed away in one of the sheds - and all I have indoors is a single small clear cased vase with a snapped/heat finished pontil - so would seem they did both. Just to be sure I'll check the others tomorrow.
Unfortunately, from what I can see the catalogue doesn't give the full range of sizes.
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I would think (and from my observations) that larger bits tend to be the ones which are cased and have their pontil marks treated - the smaller posies and baskets and pin dishes tend not to be.
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Funnily enough saw a bucket vase today same type of finish but more of a green colour cased ( I think?) with a polished out pontil mark like the others I have seen but with a rather crude folded over rim.
Interesting to compare but at £22 not that interesting, but I do know the seller so if it's still there next time I go in I will get a photo.
Chris
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I have a small mushroom posy in this and also a green powder pot that I think is the same maker. Both on here somewhere and maker unknown so far. It's a curious type of decoration. My yellow posy has a curious greeny tint in the glass and is cased at the base, the green powder pot isn't cased if I remember correctly and is also quite lightweight.
m
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unfortunately, the one pic we don't have of this piece is a side on profile shot (up the right way). :) I'm still inclined to think this is Nazeing pattern 86/1 - which in the book is shown as one of the 'Sundry Art Glass Bowls and Dishes' - designs which I believe were possibly post war (used until the end of the 1950's) - and varied in shape from the 1930's catalogue.
I did look at the four or five pieces I have ( bowls, vases and a float bowl which I believe are all Nazeing) - and these all show a clear casing, which is thicker at the base - plus they all have a ground pontil depression, which sometimes remain with a slightly matt finish.
The exception was a small pot type piece only four or five inches tall in a mottled pink colourway which has an clear only, almost bun shaped foot showing snapped/heat treated pontil.
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http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,47992.msg270285.html#msg270285
my powder pot here..scroll down for better pics for comparison of bubbles. The pot is mould blown and cut at the rim so no comparison on the pontil mark.
I'll find the yellow vase in a mo
m
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Thanks m looks the same finish.
Paul some more shots from the side and top.
https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/MoreNazeingBowlPhotos
Chris
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thanks Chris. Appreciate your comments about lack of clear casing and what appears to be a heat treated pontil, but shape still makes me think of a Nazeing pattern.
Looking at the link to m's powder pot, sorry, but I'm only seeing pale turquoise so unable to compare with the range of greens in Timberlake - but have to admit I wouldn't know what 'clear baby green' looked like anyway ;D. I'm unable to see a powder pot of that shape in Timblerlake - there are a couple, but the profiles appear quite different - plus, as far as I can see Nazeing did not offer that sort of lid with what Christine describes as a 'Lucite knob'. I've not come across this before - can someone explain please - I assume it's a chromey coated plastic sort of thing.
I'm not inclined to think that m's powder bowl is from Nazeing.
Further down on m's link there is a pale yellowy/green two handled posy shown by Sue. Nazeing offered similar looking posies (with pulled up sides) - both with and without handles, the latter apparently now very rare because it was thought to be a design failure. Two examples are shown in the book, and both appear to have clear casing which looks thickish at the base. Did you get a positive attribution to Nazeing Sue, for yours?? Of course, I guess other factories might well have offered a similar shaped posy vase.
and lastly - short tale of misfortune......... During the '60's and '70's Boots carried a range of Swedish inspired glassware which was supplied initially by Sowerby Ellison (Gateshead), although this ceased when they went out of business in 1972. Apparently, Nazeing took the opportunity to buy some of the pressed glass moulds. Simon Cottle has written of how the large number of cast iron moulds proved too heavy for the lorry bringing them down south, with the consequence that the bottom fell out of the lorry and scattered the moulds on the road!
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Paul,Lucite is a form of plastic. I've just taken some more pics of the darned green box to try and get the colour right. It's a kind of Vasart green (distemper or baby or 50s green as I call it).
m
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comparison pics for Chris
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Thanks for the photos m, I notice Nigel Benson describes the Nazeing green 'May green' which does from memory look like the green bucket vase one I saw with the rather crude folded over rim any thoughts on that one Paul it looks very similar to pink one which Nigel describes pre-war funnel which appears to have a folded rim in his photo? will get a photo of that one at the weekend if it's still there.
http://www.20thcentury-glass.org.uk/id65.html
Chris
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Why isit Nigel goes into hiding when Nazeing comes up , OK Nige i will say please if thats what u r waiting for , before you say it i know u r getting ready to make your second fortune at
CAMBRIDGE ;D :D
THIS COMING SUNDAY THE 23RD OF SEPTEMBER .
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My friend Nigel says this a nice pre-War Nazeing. It has a polished pontil mark
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=243
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Good old Nigel ,,,, i knew he was lurking out there . c u Sunday Nigel . have a good fair .
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I have a Nazeing lattice bowl with a polished pontil mark. I also have a 'Nazeing for Elwell I believe (I think Nigel confirmed that as a possible :-\)' bowl that is swirly and doesn't have a polished pontil mark. Both are different decors to these pieces under discussion though. Perhaps these were made by Nazeing but of a different period and perhaps for Elwell?
Sorry I should not have got involved in this thread at all - I find this whole Nazeing thing very difficult to get a handle on. But I do think it is possible Chris's bowl, my mushroom posy and my green powder pot are all by the same maker... whoever that might be :)
m
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I'd imagine that 'lattice' is probably the least difficult Nazeing pattern - nothing else quite like it, and very distinctive. Otherwise the colour groupings are in groups headed:......... green, blue, lilacs and purples, yellows and browns, orange, shades of pink, white and variations on black and white. So quite a palette range.
m - in Geoff. Timberlake's book there is an Elwell label on a bowl which was apparently not made by Nazeing. The caption suggests that the piece is believed to have been made by Haden Mullet Haden of Stourbridge during the 1930's. The bowl in question uses flakes of colour for decoration, and the shape is not one produced by Nazeing.
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Well, well, well, here I am John boy!! ;) :)
Surely the bowl has to be cased in order for it to support the enamels that are swirled and bubbled?? Thin at the rim edge, but thick(ish) at the base.
I do not have any of this 'Nazeing for Elwell' to hand at the moment in order to check - but that is exactly what this yellow bowl is. See explanation on previous thread(s).
Pre-war pale green is called 'May Green' by Nazeing, but not post-war, etc.
The pink vase on my site is post- war and not pre-war as mentioned above, and it does have a fold over rim.
Hope that helps :)
Nigel
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Nigel thank you for the info - do you think my two pieces look to be by the same maker please?
and have a prosperous and good time at Cambridge
m
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What a plonker! of course it's cased Nigel doh!!
Thank you as always Chris
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Chris - we've all done it, don't worry ;)
m - yes, they appear to be the same, but the turquoise piece is missing its lid, which would have been chrome with a plastic knob handle :)
Nigel
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Thank you Nigel :) I do have the lid as well but I display it without though.
m