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Title: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: josordoni on October 06, 2007, 01:49:41 PM
I am rather stumped by the nationality of this gorgeous vase... I bought this and a green enamelled biscuit barrel, having PROMISED myself I would stick to things that I knew at least something about, but I got carried away...

So any help at all would be appreciated, even if only to start me off on my research. I have looked at the major Victorian glass sites, and I don't reckon the enamelling is French. The colour of the glass is very distinctive, but I haven't seen it anywhere yet.  The rim is dagged and enamelled, I think this is usually indicative of Bohemian?

thanks for any help..

as before, main pic below, gallery here (http://clarkagency.co.uk/clicpicoct/turquoise_enamel/_local_turquoise_enamel.htm)

Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 06, 2007, 03:25:55 PM
It's gorgeous, love the indent! :clap:
Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: josordoni on October 06, 2007, 03:38:30 PM
I am glad you like it Christine, it makes me feel less guilty about succumbing to its very blowsy charms!

Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: Mike M on October 06, 2007, 10:52:46 PM
Very nice

are you sure its not french?

This blue was a very typical colour for Aesethetic period French

Its similar to both Clichy and Auguste Jean pieces -but doesn't look quite the quality of either.

I'd suggest a more minor french house copying these two -but still of the period

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: josordoni on October 07, 2007, 08:19:16 AM
Thanks Mike, since when have you known me REALLY sure about anything ???   ;D ;D

that is a good suggestion for French, I did wonder if the colour was good for a specific country. Do you think my estimate for date of 1880-1905 would be about right - I am basing this on the Japanoise design, these dates would be right for Porcelain, I assume they would match up for glass?

And is the dagged edge specific to any particular period/area?

Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: Mike M on October 07, 2007, 09:40:27 PM
Hi

Obviously this is without handling it -but Yes date sound about right -most of this stuff was even tighter dated  to 1885-1890 - the dagged edge looks like a cheap/easier version of the 'hot' applied decocation often used on these pieces.

Next time you are doing a Christmas list add - 'Le Genie Du Verrier De L'Europe'  -by Cappa  -wonderful book! 
-mind you if you do - it would spoil my fun looking them all up for you!

Cheers

Mike
Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: josordoni on October 08, 2007, 08:16:58 AM
There are lots of wonderful books out there... my bank balance creaks at the thought of them all!

 :cry: :cry:

Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: flying free on October 10, 2012, 01:19:27 PM
This is very late :) but I came across this thread searching for another vase and I think your vase has many similarities with this one, which has an attribution of 'probably Harrach' .  The enamelling at the top of the pink looks the same or very similar to yours as well although the pink one is dimpled.
http://www.madforglass.es/Harrach/Harrach542b.html
m
Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: Ivo on October 10, 2012, 06:06:29 PM
I vote for Legras on both of them just to be obnoxious.
Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: Mike M on October 10, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
that's just fine
seeing how a large amount of Legras production was in fact secretly made by Harrach anyway!
M
Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: flying free on October 10, 2012, 06:34:25 PM
 ;D
Mike, in all seriousness,  given Legras was such a huge concern as a business, they must have been turning over a fortune to need (and be able to monetarily afford) to sub-contract their supply to outside manufacture. 
It's amazing.  It would be interesting to see their annual turnover figures or an account of the total annual number of pieces sold, over a period of years to include before they were dealing with Harrach, during and then after.  Does it tie in with any particular ownership of the business?
and do we know what years are being accounted for as supplies from Harrach mixed in, presumably, with Legras also making their own. 
Also I'm sure I've read that other French companies used Legras blanks.  Does this mean that actually it is possible other French companies may have been using Harrach blanks?
m
Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: Mike M on October 10, 2012, 09:28:05 PM
French and Italian!

In the secret repository at the Harrach factory museum they have wide range of pieces including a massive range of what I would call 'Legras' maybe 15-20 different shape pieces in the range of the attached picture  -there was one identical to the pictured vase and they allowed me to handle it and it was indistinguishable from Legras  (looking and feeling the same are two very different things)-it appears, asking the experts, that they probably made them for Legras -not just the blanks, but the finished product.

The Harrach section of the U(P)M museum had other surprises.

Legras may have been big, Harrach was massive!

Sorry no pictures -I do not have permission -the picture below is one of my own pieces.   

M
Title: Re: Aesthetic Period Turquoise enamelled vase
Post by: flying free on October 10, 2012, 09:36:35 PM
 
So Legras was manufacturer and wholesaler/distributor - I suppose thinking about it, it's probably not that surprising from a business perspective.  It just puts a spanner in the works if you are a researcher and collector  :)

Italian ? wow...I don't collect Italian though so I'm going to ignore that curved ball   ;D
I love that vase btw -
m