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Title: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 17, 2010, 09:49:50 AM
 :hi: Hi:
I can say I know this one - Well, not really, but it has a label on it that say *Bohemia Glass, Made in Czechoslovakia*.  So OK we know that, but what year, and the maker anyone special?  (Help)??  About 7.75 inches tall, and 3.25 wide at the widest middle point.....and quite heavy.  A different yellowish color.  Is it older?  Whose label is that?  Being a Foil label, was it made years ago?  Do you have this label in the label gallery?

So can anyone help me further with info on this piece. Thxs  :kissy:

* psssssssssssst:  I only paid $4 for it, so I hope that was a good deal....
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Nemmie on July 17, 2010, 10:16:26 AM
It's by the Rosice factory part of the Sklo union group of Glassworks and is known as a Lens or Bullet Vase.

They come in two sizes and yours is the larger version these are harder to find. Also I don't have that colour way in that size so now I have turned slightly green with envy.

Re: Price, yes very well done because I paid £20-30 for mine.

I added an old picture of mine, got several more since I took it. :)



Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 17, 2010, 12:43:51 PM
Rose, it's fabulous!  I've got a transparent one and a light blue one... I'll just add that it was designed by Rudolf Schrotter.  :)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Nemmie on July 17, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
Rose, it's fabulous!  I've got a transparent one and a light blue one... I'll just add that it was designed by Rudolf Schrotter.  :)

In c1955 :)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 17, 2010, 01:37:54 PM
Wow, Nemmie, that's quite a collection of bullet vases  :o!  My two small ones don't look so impressive now compared to yours  :'( ;D

I'd be happy with one more 15cm vase to add to my collection as three is such a lovely number.  (About a week ago, I had the opportunity to buy a transparent one for 15zl (just under 4 euro), but I passed only because I already have a transparent one.)

Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Jindra8526 on July 17, 2010, 02:44:41 PM
Just few from my collection. If anybody need a piece to complete colour row, let me know please.

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 17, 2010, 02:54:01 PM
 :o :o :o  Jindrich, you really know how to make a girl cry...  :mrgreen:

BEAUTIFUL!  And in so many colors...  am I ever jealous. 
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 17, 2010, 08:44:22 PM
Thanks all.....glad to hear it is 1955, so 55 years old already (and older than me by some years)  :24:  Is this color just known as Yellow, or is there some fancy name for it??

The reason I ask this because I noted Jindrich had several different colors to yellow to almost gold color.

Beautiful all the colors Jindrich has -- and this is just my first piece.....and Sure has a good weight to it

 ;)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Nemmie on July 17, 2010, 09:15:09 PM
Well I didn't even know they made a brown one so I can add that to my want list but apart from that I need amethyst, clear and yellow for a full set as I have more than are in my picture now.

The large ones are a long term project though, well to be honest they all are. The thrill of the chase is part of the joy so I am not sure I would want to fill all my gaps all in one go. Thought you might have a lot though Jindrich :)

Oh and although they were designed in 1955 they made them for a very long time so your vase may be a lot newer than that, I am sure Jindrich can be more specific as to how long. I think the slight variations in colour are due to different amounts of ingredients being available at the glassworks but again I am sure Jindrich can tell us more.



Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 18, 2010, 04:20:05 AM
...as I have more than are in my picture now.

Nemmie, you also know how to make a girl cry! You've got over 10 bullet vases?  :o


Here is a photo of my HUGE bullet vase collection...  IMPRESSIVE, eh?  In case anyone is feeling highly sorry for me, I do accept donations of any color...  :24:


Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 18, 2010, 06:49:46 AM
...as I have more than are in my picture now.

Nemmie, you also know how to make a girl cry! You've got over 10 bullet vases?  :o


Here is a photo of my HUGE bullet vase collection...  IMPRESSIVE, eh?  In case anyone is feeling highly sorry for me, I do accept donations of any color...  :24:


here you guys go...start bidding:
Pretty Blue Bullet Vase, Click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/RETRO-BOHEMIA-GLASS-SKLO-UNION-AQUA-BULLET-VASE-1950s-/360280891969?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item53e26a2241)

Yellow Bullet vase, Click Here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sklo-Union-Amber-Glass-Bullet-Vase-Schrotter-1955-/110561064220?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item19bdf3f51c)

Would this one GLOW? (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Sklo-Union-Rosice-6-Bullet-Vases-Schrotter-Czech-/150451175041?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230796be81)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 18, 2010, 07:12:54 AM
Ah Rose...  if only things were that easy!  But no money means no fun (if I did have the money, I'd contact our Jindrich and take him up on his offer  ;D).

I'll just have to be patient (I was offered a 1-year position as lecturer at the Pedagogical University of Krakow for the next academic year which, in addition to my current job -- which BTW is non-existant during the summer months and means no income for me until October -- will hopefully bring some extra money to my disposal  :X:)

November.  November will be my special glass-buying month.  Czech-glass buying that is.  Only about 90 days to go...  :24:
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 18, 2010, 07:22:19 AM
November. November will be my special glass-buying month.  Czech-glass buying that is.  Only about 90 days to go...  :24:

Me too -- November is my birthday....the Big one.  I will have to by myself a gift too  ;D

....and ssssssssssssssssssshh - only about 120 days till  :st:

 :cry:  :thud:

We must always buy ourselves a piece of glass-- as a Gift !!!
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Nemmie on July 18, 2010, 10:54:08 AM
...as I have more than are in my picture now.

Nemmie, you also know how to make a girl cry! You've got over 10 bullet vases?  :o


Here is a photo of my HUGE bullet vase collection...  IMPRESSIVE, eh?  In case anyone is feeling highly sorry for me, I do accept donations of any color...  :24:


Yes, I have 13 now. 10 standard size and 3 Large. I also have another that is in two halves but displays well ;)

I just found a large Waisted in blue at a boot fair which made it worth getting up at 5:30am. This means that I now have 2 large Waisted and 5 small and my Rosice obsession continues! :)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 18, 2010, 12:57:53 PM
You cruel, cruel heartless man  :cry:...


What a beautiful collection.  I haven't got any Schmid pieces yet to my name...  but I will, slowly but surely  :).

Thank you for sharing your pictures!  Absolutely lovely!!!
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anne on July 18, 2010, 12:59:16 PM
Me too -- November is my birthday....the Big one.  I will have to by myself a gift too  ;D

....and ssssssssssssssssssshh - only about 120 days till  :st:

 :cry:  :thud:

We must always buy ourselves a piece of glass-- as a Gift !!!

Mine too, but not a big one like Rose's (cos I've already passed that one eh Rose!) :)

Anik, are you collecting all Czech glass or just selected patterns?
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Nemmie on July 18, 2010, 01:06:38 PM
You cruel, cruel heartless man  :cry:...


What a beautiful collection.  I haven't got any Schmid pieces yet to my name...  but I will, slowly but surely  :).

Thank you for sharing your pictures!  Absolutely lovely!!!


No problem, I am sure your collection will grow with time. Everything comes to those who wait and I am sure Jindrich will be along to make me cry with a picture of his hundreds of waisted vases, no doubt including colours that I didn't even know existed!

The one I bought today was only £1 but it was filthy and I thought it had water staining but luckily all the gunk game off.
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 18, 2010, 02:09:02 PM
Everything comes to those who wait and I am sure Jindrich will be along to make me cry with a picture of his hundreds of waisted vases, no doubt including colours that I didn't even know existed!

 :24:  I'm sure that if Jindrich posted photos of ALL his stunning Czech glass, our jealous tears would cause a flood worldwide! 

Nemmie, a quid for the 1032 Rosice vase is unbelievable -- what a bargain, filthy or not!  Oh, I'm starting to feel my eyes get shiny again  ;).



Anne, a few months ago, I would have said I want to collect all Czech glass.  But now, I see I've developed some preferences and even pass over pieces which are not so much to my liking, even if very cheap. 

I really like Czech pressed glass from the 2nd half of the 20th century -- the glassworks makes no difference to me as long as the piece has an industrial or masculine feel...  those are my favorite!  Anything Czech which is masculine/industrial/heavy... 

I also really like Czech hotworked vases and 'sculptural' vases (like the 50s Beraneks' designs).  Oh, and I think Vizner was/is a genious -- I think all his pieces (at least those I've seen in Jindrich's photos) are facinating!  I also like some Czech cut glass as seen in 'Hi Sklo Lo Sklo' (for example the 'Town' vase by Harcuba, the Oliva vase on page 118, the Pravec vase on 119 and the Svarc pieces on 122 and 123.)  I'm partial to vases.

Though not masculine, I also like Zelezny Brod glassworks vases...  especially the clean lines and simplicity of Klinger's pieces.

What I don't particularly like are Chribka pieces (too colorful and gaudy in my opinion) and any type of 'Niagara' basket-type octopus thing  :spls:.  I also don't really like Mstisov Romana or Rhapsody pieces (again, too much color and 'busy-ness' to them.)  Don't really like any piece which reminds me of Murano.  I'm also not fond of gilded/enamelled glass.  And I don't like dainty pieces.

But then again, maybe within the next few months, my taste will be even more refined/specific than it is at the moment.  I'm kind of like a kid in a candy shop and would take almost anything just because it's Czech.  :) 


I'm sorry for going on and on about my likes and dislikes... 

:kissy:






Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 18, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
I like the heavy thick pieces too.  I only paid $ 4 dollars (CAD) for this.  I never even noticed it had a label till I got home, and was happy it did.

I want to Thank all *those* people from years ago --- That Never Washed the labels off Glass Pieces.  TY    :thup:
:24:
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anne on July 18, 2010, 06:27:46 PM
Anik, I agree, the big plain colour chunkies are superb. Two of the most stunning pieces I've seen and handled were an Adolf Matura head vase http://sklounion.com/SkloUnion/Maturahead72.html which was so much bigger than I'd expected it to be, and the Sotola plate which is on the front cover of Marcus' book http://sklounion.com/sklounion_cover3.jpg. That was huge and thick and heavy, just gorgeous!  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 18, 2010, 06:33:08 PM
The Matura head vase is a dream!  Absolutely stunning, even if I've only seen it in a picture...  (As for the plate, I suppose it is nice, but like I said, I'm more of a vase kinda gal...).  :)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anne on July 18, 2010, 06:40:27 PM
I was the same about the plate until I saw it sat on my table and then went wow! :) It's one of those pieces that pics don't do justice to. (Shame it didn't stay on my table - it was only visiting!!!)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: quill on July 19, 2010, 01:15:02 AM
Just few from my collection. If anybody need a piece to complete colour row, let me know please.

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo

That’s pretty %$^*!! impressive!
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Jindra8526 on July 19, 2010, 08:20:38 AM
Well, colours.
The father of Sklo Union research Marcus Newhall at page 140 of his book (www.sklounion.com) defined 12 standardised colours for Sklo Union pieces. He also noted that there are some "slight" differences in colours becouse of technology reasons. This is absoloutely true, we can doscover many other "inbetween" colours and I am afraid, that we will never complete the full scale. It sometimes differs one day to the next day in production.

The bullet vase itself was so ordinary and ussual in Czechoslovakia in 60ties that it can be the vase symbol of this period. It has been everywhere, in schools, offices, shops...Suprisingly not many of them survived in top quality and mint condition up to now - but considering more carefully - reason is clear - it had been widely used.

Simmilar it is with Jan Schmid wasted vase. Note please that Rudolf Schrötter (* 1897) and Jan Schmid (* 1936) were from different designers generation, they never met. The bullet vase was for Schrötter one from his last designs for Rosice in 1955, few years later he left fo his retairment in Germany, Jan Schmid has designed his wasted vase as a student's work in 1959/60 - he graduated in 1962. I met Jan 3 weeks ago, he promissed that he will take a look to his files to help us to cover his glass design period fully. Unfortnatelly in summer nothing goes so fast as one would like becouse of holidays.

Jan Schmid is since 60ties actor and stage director in small theater in Prague and quite popular person. Few years ago was issued his bibliography in nice book, but his shor life period when he was glass designer was omitted totally.  :D

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 19, 2010, 08:47:50 AM
 :hiclp: SUPER info Jindra, and very interesting.

I had never (nor recall) seeing these vases, but this was most likely due to less being around here, as compared to over there.  Most interesting facts, and great to know about the colors.  Bravo....

This one I bought - seems to be in excellent condition, as I felt no chips, and there is only a couple small bubbles in it

Again, Thanks for your Super information   :thup:
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: px on July 19, 2010, 11:25:33 AM
 :) Anik just happened to so very very precisely define my taste of glass too.
No way I would go for too complicated, gilded, murano, chribska, I think I learned a couple of new adjectives in English: "dainty" and "gaudy".   ;D Exactly.  Simple, even plain is what I like. And heavy!  (would love to see a Matura Head vase once)

There are some Finnish glass designs, well known too, that I love, of course. But I am not even thinking of trying to collect any myself, they are too expensive.  And I like to be controversial and different.  :) Czech glass is not very well known here, unfortunately it doesn't mean it would be cheap tho' as most people try to sell them as Finnish!

However, I feel especially how certain pieces of Czech glass represent the style of the 60's, my early childhood, is more in a stylish and refined way than what the typical Finnish really popular 60's designs I remember look like.

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/pxxu/th__MG_7719.jpg) (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/pxxu/_MG_7719.jpg)

There's how I like them, heavy and clear. ( just not to be too much Off Topic: there is a Schrötter bullet vase there, and  I have a smaller yellow one too)The latest find I am happy about is the Vizner lense vase, and especially because it is with all clear lenses, not matt, that's for the simplicity I like!

The more colourful part of my Czech collection is 13139 (also waisted) vase, which is a design that really really pleases my eye. (I would love to hear more facts of it one day, so far I do not know if it was produced in Hermanova and Rudolfova huts. I suppose this is something that has only been found out lately.)


I have seen some Jan Schmid waisted vases but haven't bought one (yet).
I am not sure if I want to buy vases just because they are Czech, I have managed not to... I think I will buy one when I see one in really good condition, clear, colourless and cheap. :)

I have said it already a couple of times I cannot find the words to thank Jindrich for all that ever so interesting information. I think, Anne?, would you find a simple *heart* -smiley so we would in the future just express our feelings for him.   ;D ::) 







Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Nemmie on July 19, 2010, 11:46:40 AM
Thank you Jindrich for sharing more of your extensive knowledge. As a great fan of these two designers it was fascinating to hear more about their lives and I look forward to hearing more when you know it.

Personally I will be happy with the twelve colours when I have them in both sizes of both vases. There are other Sklo union designs that I collect but my main focus is on the Lens and the Waisted.

I am not normally a fan of clear glass but your collection looks stunning px. Very nice indeed.

Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 19, 2010, 12:12:23 PM
px, your clear Czech pressed glass collection is marvellous!  I also prefer the transparent ones - they look cleaner, crisper, colder (not a bad thing in my opinion).  JUST BEAUTIFUL!!! 

... and I agree 1000% about Jindrich.  The research he does, and the knowledge and passion he has for Czech glass is outstanding.  I've said it before, but I'll say it again -- it's remarkable that he takes the time to answer our queries and adds additional background information which we would never know otherwise.

Yay Jindrich!  :rah:

Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anne on July 19, 2010, 12:25:06 PM
Just to be pedantic, Rose's vase is the bullet vase, the lens one is a different pattern: http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-glass-archives/sklo-union-glass-1/showitem-1SKLO-LENSFV.aspx - somewhere on the board is a post by Marcus explaining this. :)

And that Jindrich has picked up and built on the interest created by Marcus's earlier research into Czech glass is wonderful. He's doing a fine job, thank you Jindrich!  :thup:

And just for interest, this is one of my most interesting pieces of Czech Sklo Union glass because of its context... it's a piece of cullet from the final day's production at one of the SU glassworks retrieved by Marcus on one of his research trips. It lives on my desk. There's another piece shown in his book alongside a 244 tumbler - photo by Della, who I think had that piece of the cullet.
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 19, 2010, 12:29:13 PM
 :o

Anne, can I live on your desk?
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anne on July 19, 2010, 12:37:56 PM
Course you can Anik, it'd be a bit of a squash as it's very cluttered but you'd be surrounded by glass stuff! :24:
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: px on July 19, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Just to be pedantic, Rose's vase is the bullet vase, the lens one is a different pattern: http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-glass-archives/sklo-union-glass-1/showitem-1SKLO-LENSFV.aspx - somewhere on the board is a post by Marcus explaining this. :)

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=8657.0
I remembered having seen this: Actually (then at least) it was not supposed to be called "Bullet" so it should be "Schrötter's lens vase", and "Vizner's lens vase" ? In Marcus's (superb) book (which I keep on having on my bedside table for looking at pics on and on) on page 54 the one so often (however) called "bullet" is described as "Rudolf Schrötter's "Lens" vase".

I think a Berlin wall piece of concrete would fit beside the SU glass you have Anne.  ;D  (btw; see page 22 in the book)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 19, 2010, 12:46:51 PM
Course you can Anik, it'd be a bit of a squash as it's very cluttered but you'd be surrounded by glass stuff! :24:

I promise to make myself as small and unassuming as possible -- I certainly wouldn't want to take the limelight away from the glass.  ;D
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anne on July 19, 2010, 04:44:07 PM
That'll teach me for typing from memory rather than looking up the earlier topic, thanks px. :) Yes page 22 is the other piece of cullet I referred to... I think Marcus said he only brought back 2 pieces, or maybe 3... it was a while ago and my memory's a bit fuzzy (actually I think it's waterlogged from all the rain!!!)  If I have a piece of Berlin Wall, I'd also like a chunk of moonrock... but then where would Anik sit? The desk would be too full! :24:

Anik, if you manage to get to the UK you can come visit us as well as Steph - we're not that far apart (same county). :thup:
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anik R on July 19, 2010, 05:48:57 PM
If I have a piece of Berlin Wall, I'd also like a chunk of moonrock... but then where would Anik sit? The desk would be too full! :24:

Uh, Anne? I'm sure you're not implying that the glass and rock-things have priority seating over me on your desk, are you? Bunny dear?  :'(  No, I'm sure you're not... 

 ;D

P.S.  Thank you for the invitation!!!   :kissy:  I really do hope that within the next year I could come to England for a few days to experience a car-boot, a few charity shops and a flea market.  A girl needs to look after her own needs once in a blue moon after-all.  ;)
Title: Re: * CZECH mate --- with Label
Post by: Anne on July 19, 2010, 11:06:27 PM
More than once in a blue moon methinks, Anik! :) 

Looks like I need a bigger desk.... 

 :rn: