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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Germany => Topic started by: POOLED70 on November 12, 2008, 05:45:05 PM
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Hi
Can anybody clarify wether this solifleur vase I have is by Pukeberg or Walther as I cant seem to find conclusive evidence of either.
Thanks Dave
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hi Dave!
definitely Walther. i´ve got a labelled one - not here though.
regards,
dirk
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some more:
you find them with matted surface of the protruding part, too.
there also is a rectangular version of the same design.
http://cgi.ebay.de/VASE-WALTHER-DESIGN-KRISTALL-70er-RETRO-PANTON-167_W0QQitemZ150216286239QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150216286239&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229
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picked up this one yesterday...
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Hi Dirk
Thats nice, wish I could find another one myself. I believe they came in 3 sizes is this correct, mine is 11cm high.
Dave
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there are three sizes i have - 14, 11 and (i guess) 8cm, but i know that
another round solifleur design was made in 4 sizes - maybe this one, too?
i see them on flea markets here regularly, but i began to like them
rather recently, so i don´t have any twice so far...
regards,
dirk
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So how do you tell the difference between Pukeberg and Walther solifleur's?
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TC, i´m not sure if i understand your question the right way. do you mean this very
vase or solifleurs generally?
in case you mean this one:
i´ve googled ´pukeberg solifleur´ and got several links with walther vases attributed
as pukeberg - looks like the usual internet-virus to me: ´no proof?-make something up!´
in general:
to answer this or state characteristic differences would be beyond my knowledge, i´m
afraid. i think we´ll have to decide for each design by a) label or b) documentation seperately.
regards,
dirk
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This vase i mean.
Miller's Glass of the '50's & '60's shows the same vase attributed to Pukeberg (11cm high).
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TC, i´ve got two of these with a walther label now. :huh:
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I think we have to mark that attribution in Miller's as an error on the basis of Dirk's label
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Oh! :-\
... the one in the book has a matted surface, do any of the matted surface one's have Walther labels?
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Christine, i´d agree - looks like the most likely theory to me. i don´t have
that miller´s book to compare though.
TC, sorry if i don´t get certain points straightaway. please mind, that english
is not my first language and i sometimes struggle with both understanding and
phrasing. ::)
i don´t have the small vase, which is the second one with a label, here at the
moment. by memory i´d say it has a matted surface.
aswell there is not the slightest difference between the labelled 14cm vase and
the 11cm vases i´ve posted - clear and matted.
most convincing conclusion to me is, that these vases were actually made by
walther...
...unless we start a debate on Descartes, quantum physics, conspiracy theories... >:D
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I'm not disagreeing with you, just clarifying.
I'm just saying that it's possible that it was made by both companies, although i must admit it's probably unlikely in this case. A few glass items on this forum (i think) have been identical to each other and yet made by two different companies. I agree that since the Pukeberg and Walther labels are very similar that it may have been an error.
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trying to clarify is what we´ve got in common. :)
to be honest, i didn´t consider the possibility that both made it seriously.
does Miller´s give a hint, where they get their attribution from?
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I dare to bumb this up :kissy:
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Dirk, there's no source for that attribution in the book, but as the author, Nigel Benson, is a member of this board he may be able to add more to the discussion.
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hope my comment didn´t sound too harsh! :-X
as is said - i wasn´t aware of that attribution in nigel´s book :sleep:
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Hiya,
Just read this thread. The information on the vase at the time of Miller's Collecting 50's & 60's Glass going to press was that is was Pukeberg, however many labelled pieces have turned up since that say it is in fact Walther.
So, my apologies for creating what will now be something that will keep coming up as a misnomer :(
If I were able to put corrections into the books, believe me I would. Sadly, despite one's best efforts something will always get through :huh: :( There are no plans for reprinting, so it won't get corrected that way either.
I will try and update the corrections in the 'sticky'.
Kind wishes, Nigel
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Nigel , thanks a lot for your comment! i´ve been taxing my brain for
alternative explanations...
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Hiya,
I've put the correction for the Millers book and Art Deco to Post Modernism into the Books errata sticky.
Again sorry for the brain scratching :huh:
Nigel
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Heres another one:-) if anyone can help with the maker please? Didnt know if it was better to start a new topic or put it here:-)
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Walther ...
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Thankyou:-)
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You're welcome ;)