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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: mhgcgolfclub on August 25, 2009, 03:59:06 PM
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It reminds me of a rare perfect Sowerby pattern #1125 (late 1875–early 1876) covered pedestal sugar I had with two monkey handles and a similar monkey handle on the lid; sadly smashed to smithereens with all my other glass as a result of my road accident years ago. I've never seen another, nor have I seen a matching creamer. See Cottle p31 for the uncovered sugar trade catalogue illustration.
Bernard C. 8)
Some pictures of the rare Sowerby covered sugar bowl mentioned by Bernard with monkey handles and lid
Roy
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Wonderful piece ... my wife and I wish we had one, too!
Note the similarity in design to the piece which has dogs on the sides and a cat on the cover. We have a one of these with a Davidson mark, and I think one is also shown in an Inwald catalog.
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:thup: You find some nice stuff Roy :mrgreen:
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Thank you Christine and thank you Anne for moving and jiggling around
Roy
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Except there are no links between the two threads now :huh:
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Yup there is Christine. The quote link from Bernard above links back to the original topic, and I've added a cross-link on the other topic to this one.
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Thank you this was the first time I had seen one of these and when I bought it I knew there was a similar one with cats and dogs by Davidson, I knew this one was British as each piece is well dated with the date lozenge, Sowerby was my best guess before confirming date lozenge
Roy
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Roy — A really important find. It is the only one I've seen since I had mine. Note that it doesn't carry a trade mark — Sowerby was one of the first to register their family crest, the peacock's head, under the new trade mark legislation which came into effect in 1876 — and so, to the best of my knowledge, this covered sugar is the only Sowerby pre-TM conventionally pressed design that could be described as "fancy", all the others being imitation cut or other geometric patterns. Indeed, as the fancy bowl in the drawing for J.G. Sowerby's 1871 patent (see Hajdamach) may only have existed as a drawing — the patent only known today on some much simpler plates — this covered sugar is the earliest fancy known for Sowerby, and for the great J.G. Sowerby, who must have been heavily involved in its design. It's an important item for any comprehensive Sowerby collection.
... and a strange coincidence. I've had an application for a disability living allowance being processed now for about two months — it's a complicated process. At the end of last week I heard that our Government, bless their little cotton socks, has lost my file. We have to start all over again. So yesterday morning I dug out my file on the accident, again. It was some months before I saw that covered sugar again, and like almost all my glass, it was in tiny pieces.
Better luck with yours, Roy, and please would you let us know the registration date.
Bernard C. 8)
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Thank you very much Bernard I did not know it was that rare, the fact that I had never seen one myself I knew it was rare and to be honest when I bought it I thought it was most likely Sowerby ,but only confirmed when I got home and checked, I manage to find the old post which you mentioned it by searching Sowerby monkey.
You are correct that it does not have the Sowerby trade mark ,but both lid and base have a nice crisp date lozenge for the 6th March 1876.
Condition of this sugar bowl is excellent with no chips or cracks to the lid , bowl or the rim, except for a very small fracture within the glass on the edge of the base
Many thanks again for the information Roy
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Roy — Well done. That was almost as fascinating as watching England regain the Ashes! For the few folk who weren't watching, see here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200378097263).
... and grateful thanks, as always, from me and the GMB Committee for your acknowledgement and link. It is a great motivator for members to put in that little extra effort. It is, perhaps, worth noting that eBay doesn't place any limit at all on genuine references and acknowledgements of this type, with or without links, nor ever has, something which a substantial number of other eBay sellers obviously don't appreciate.
Bernard C. 8)
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Thank you Bernard
The sugar bowl is on its way to Australia, very surprised that there were no bidders from the UK , 4 from the USA and the 2 high bidders from Australia.
Very happy with the end result as when I bought it I had to think £55.00 was quite a lot , but decided to buy as I had not seen one before .
I am hoping to make the Cambridge Glass Fair so may see you there if I make it, depends on how well my wife is as shes been very poorly this year and is going in hospital on the 29th September for an operation and some tests
Roy
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... very surprised that there were no bidders from the UK ...
Roy — How do you know? If I had bid £150 for it you would never have known as I snipe a few seconds before the auction ends, so in this case eBay wouldn't have registered the bid from my sniping utility. It often amazes me how many end their auctions early and lose out on sniped bids.
I hope to see you at Cambridge, and please give my regards and best wishes to your OH.
Bernard C. 8)
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Bernard I agree with what you say I know in many cases in the last 7 seconds there could be many snipes and only the highest will show, I just leaving for Kempton in a minute to see what I can find today
regards Roy
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In the quote in the first post of this thread, Bernard had not seen a matching creamer in the Sowerby 1125 ‘monkey’ pattern.
Here’s a photo of one (recently sold on eBay for £79.99) which bears a date lozenge for 6 March 1876 - Parcel 3 on the interior base. That parcel includes 7 registrations (RDs 298870 to 298876) - Cottle assigns RD 298874 to pattern 1135 plant holder, and it seems that the mostly likely corresponding RD number for creamer is 298876 (described by Thompson and Cottle as 'jug') Measures 3.9 inches tall to the top of the monkey.
Hope it’s worth the 3½ year wait.
(Permission for the re-use of this image on GMB granted by punkptc).
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I have what i believe to be a sowerby Monkey handled creamer Jug, it has the diamond inside with the 6 at the top and RD in the middle and SVW at each point. It is in excellent condition with no chips and no scuffing underneath but i would like to know a bit more about it, i shall post some pics. Can anyone help please
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Welcome to the GMB, dor1shopping.
Most of the information is already in the preceding posts, but I’ll try and summarise it for you.
Your date lozenge [a similar one is shown in post 9 of this thread] actually reads (clockwise from the top) 6-V-W-3, which translates to 6 March 1876 – Parcel 3, the date that Sowerby registered the design. That registration parcel includes 7 actual registration designs (numbers 298870 to 298876), of which the most likely number for the ‘monkey’ creamer is 298876.
There is a small suite of Sowerby pieces with basically the same design – monkey handles and stippled bodies to the actual bowls, bodies etc. of the pieces - they all seem to have the same registry date mark, and they all seem to be in clear flint glass. They all have the same Sowerby pattern number of 1125 (as shown against some of the pieces illustrated in the Sowerby pattern book XI of 1885).
The covered lidded sugar bowl is shown in the first post of this thread. The matching creamer is shown in your photo and the one in the post preceding it. On
http://www.pressedintime.com/sowerby.htm
the second photograph down shows a pedestal bowl with 2 ‘monkey’ handles (probably the uncovered version of the sugar bowl already referred to), and below it is a butter dish with a single ‘monkey’ handle (like the creamer).
All the pattern 1125 pieces would appear to be uncommon.
If anyone has Sowerby ‘monkey’ pattern 1125 pieces other than those already mentioned here, I would be most grateful if they would share photos of them on the GMB.
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Fred
I bought this today another example of the Sowerby monkey handle sugar bowl.
Roy
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Thank you, Roy.
Nice photos.
Fred.