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Title: Orrefors signature?
Post by: chriscooper on October 05, 2011, 01:11:41 PM: Hi can someone confirm this is in fact an Orrefors signature.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-G7heoePxjVw/TmucaTLBWqI/AAAAAAAAR5k/_AVAN3pJeE4/s912/SDC15813.JPG

This is the vase....

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DD4p1H9FHxs/TmvbW-6EgwI/AAAAAAAAR7U/ZSAsx7OmbrY/s512/SDC15801.JPG

More photos here...

https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/OrreforsVase#5650851345356587778

Research of the signature brought up 1956 Sven Palmqvist but this was disputed when I listed it last week even went on to dispute it was in fact Orrefors at all?
So a little expert help required, thought I was doing so well on my own too :-[

Thanks Chris
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 05, 2011, 02:25:10 PM: I can see why it might be questioned, it does not say "Orrefors" and it does not quite look like "Of" either which you sometimes find. I wonder if it is a blank engraved by a 'freelance' engraver?

John
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: chriscooper on October 05, 2011, 03:33:58 PM: Interesting John, I thought the of was okay the P for Palmqvist just got a bit lost with the date codes on a couple of sites, plus there are also codes for the type of glass, depending on which sets of numbers are the date codes I came up with 1940s or 1950s and a throbbing headache.
Looking at the details of the person who emailed 5 minutes before the auction ended to tell me it wasn't and said I would like to make an offer of £15 to be honest from what they were buying and selling nothing led me to believe they knew much more than I did about it.

Chris
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: rosieposie on October 05, 2011, 04:20:29 PM: This one:- http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orrefors-Swedish-Art-Glass-Vase-Engraved-Girl-w-Flower-/110744213011
Is so like yours it would be difficult to believe that yours was not Orrefors Chris....IMHO.
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 05, 2011, 05:15:52 PM: Just thinking out loud Chris. Orrefors numbering is notoriously difficult to decipher...

I would have been a little suspicious of an email like that too.
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: chriscooper on October 05, 2011, 06:48:47 PM: So to digress this is what I come up with so far...
of =Orrefors P = Sven Palmqvist 2686 = the model number B83 = the year made and the 2 letters g R ? = the engraver
I think :o

Chris
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 05, 2011, 08:22:50 PM: How about: Of P 2686 B8 XXX ?
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: chriscooper on October 05, 2011, 08:40:46 PM: B8 = 1951 what's XXX ?

Chris
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: ahremck on October 06, 2011, 12:17:00 AM: I suspect XXX refers to the initials of the engraver. Perhaps though it refers to the particular way it is engraved. We need Daniel S to give you a real expert opinion.

Ross
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 06, 2011, 08:17:22 AM: Yes indeed, I used XXX to refer to the remaining digits which I can't make out in your photos.

John
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: chriscooper on October 06, 2011, 09:41:36 AM: The 1st letter looks like 'S' maybe 'J' pretty sure the 2nd letter is 'R' ????

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nlJ1S5HdMyE/To1w9lQwQoI/AAAAAAAAShg/ab_3H95WKaY/s512/SDC15813.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GY-lYc4HQqc/To15Qeb8U0I/AAAAAAAASmY/ARlAnuUGv8A/s800/SDC10403.JPG

Chris
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 07, 2011, 08:31:13 AM: Perhaps Of P 2686 138 SR ?
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: cjf on October 07, 2011, 11:27:06 AM: Almost certain it says "B8 JR" after the model number, which means that it was manufactured in 1951 (as previously noted) and engraved by John Rosenstam, who if I am not mistaken worked for Orrefors from the mid 20s to the early 60s.
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: chriscooper on October 07, 2011, 04:57:17 PM: Thank you appreciate your help and you too John again we got there in the end ;D
Thanks Rosie and Ross for your help too.

Chris
Title: Re: Orrefors signature?
Post by: langhaugh on November 19, 2011, 01:19:05 AM: Just to reinforce what everyone else wrote: This piece corresponds exactly to the vase P 2686 shown in the 1944 Orrefors catalogue as reproduced in Ricke, Swedish Glass Factories.

David