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Title: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 28, 2012, 11:43:33 PM
Hello again. I have a vase that I believe is an art nouveau/art deco era piece. The vase is 12" high and about 5 1/2" at it's widest. The design is an iridescent teal (?) on purple. The glass is heavy-ish and slightly textured rather than smooth. The vase is signed and while I believe that this is an original period piece I'm pretty sure that the signature is a fake. I haven't included a photo of the signature yet because I don't want to risk influencing your thoughts on who the maker might be. Thank you for any help/opinions.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Ivo on December 29, 2012, 08:26:32 AM
Looks very American to me - and possibly recent.  If you google image  "American Art Glass" you will get to see several items of similar ilk, but none properly attributed.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2012, 01:58:00 PM
Thank you very much for your reply. This vase is a problem and I will look at recent American art glass. It came from the estate of a man born about 1906 who collected glass all his life almost to a hoarder status. The estate was filled with quality art from Steuben, stevens Williams, etc., pottery/porcelain from the late 18th century, seriously antique furniture...and then there's this vase- which is why it's a problem if it's recent. It's kind of like the Sesame Street song: "one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong..." :) Thank you, again.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Ivo on December 29, 2012, 03:04:12 PM
So what does it say underneath - quezal?
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2012, 03:31:37 PM
Actually, Tiffany...not even a good attempt at the signature, in my humble opinion. Also in my humble opinion, compared to the entirety of his collection, this wasn't the type of glass collector to purchase this particular vase or at least purchase with the belief that it was a Tiffany.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2012, 03:35:09 PM
I'm sorry, I tried several times to post a picture of the signature along with my last post but for some reason I couldn't. The size was only 99.8KB (or something close). I'm not good with computers.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Ivo on December 29, 2012, 03:40:45 PM
LCT was not the best signer in the world - see some of his stles
http://www.glasscollector.net/Signature%20Pages/GlassSignaturesP2Z.html
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2012, 04:10:36 PM
Thank you for the signature link. The signature on this vase is wrong on a couple of levels. I wish I could post a picture of the bottom of the vase and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong when I try to. I was hoping that the bottom of the vase might give some clue to the potential maker and or actual era. The picture is no different in size than the other pictures I've posted. Any suggestion on why I'm not able to post this last picture?

Mod: images added for Penelope
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Anne on December 29, 2012, 04:19:15 PM
Penelope, if you can't get the pic to the right size please email me a copy of the full sized image and I'll resize and add it for you. email to yobunny @ hotmail.co.uk  (close up the spaces of course).
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2012, 04:26:55 PM
Thank you, Anne, for your help. I've sent you the picture. Sorry for the bother.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Anne on December 29, 2012, 04:42:51 PM
Not a bother at all, Penelope, always happy to help. :) I've added your pic above and an enlarged view of the signature as well.

There's nothing in the board's error log as to why it wouldn't upload for you, so I guess the board / internet was having a silly 5 minutes. ;)
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2012, 05:30:38 PM
Thanks again, Anne. I have a feeling that the "silly" belongs to my computer rather than an internet glitch. I tried to post another picture and had the same problem. I'm trying again.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Ivo on December 29, 2012, 07:18:31 PM
I see what you mean - Tifanny doesn't quite look right does it.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2012, 07:42:02 PM
No, it doesn't look like Tiffany.

Off topic- thanks Ivo for the mini lesson on ruby glass. I have beautiful "red" stemware I've been researching for a good 3 years now with no luck. I found the definition(s) of ruby red quite confusing. I stumbled on a post where you said true ruby wasn't made after about 1830. I can't tell you how many people have told me that my stems were ruby gold- but they're not. Early-ish 20th century maybe but not pre-1830.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: obscurities on December 29, 2012, 11:08:15 PM
I believe your vase is actually a piece of Bohemian Cameo glass produced using an Acid Cut Back technique by Kralik. The LCT signature is an obvious addition by someone. Tiffany signatures are almost always, with very few exceptions, in a counter clockwise direction.....  In other words, written in the same direction, but below the pontil mark instead of above.....

Kralik ACB Cameo is generally found on a green or amethyst ground and is cut back from a Glatt Silberiris surface decor....  This is actually a pretty classic example of their style of work..... This would date to ca. 1900.

Very pretty example.....

Craig
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: Penelope on December 30, 2012, 03:37:21 AM
The past few days the search terms I used kept bringing up examples of Kralik and even Loetz. The Kralik had examples of little things like the purple and the texture and same with the Loetz although not quite like the Kralik. But I kept dismissing it. After I read your post I included Cameo along with Kralik and there it was! Wow! I found a few examples on google images but the best example was one that I found on an ebay completed listing. There it was!

Thank you so much for your help, Craig. That was thrilling to find. Thank you.
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: obscurities on December 30, 2012, 03:40:59 AM
My pleasure...  Great vase......
Title: Re: Art Deco Nouveau Iridescent Vase Any Idea?
Post by: subversivegrrl on December 31, 2012, 12:52:41 AM
Someone posted two pieces on Collectors Weekly that look very similar to yours, identified as Kralik.
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/77726-kralik--cameo-type-2-iridescent-cameo?in=all

ETA: Whoops!  Looks like someone beat me to it.  That's what I get for posting w/o reading thru the rest of the responses.