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Title: Monart JC bowl
Post by: orangeglass on April 29, 2014, 08:19:24 PM
Just thought I'd share some pictures of my new Monart bowl - shape JC size IV, it is actually 11" in diameter which is a little bit larger .
Unfortunately it also has a crack in it but still looks beautiful and very bubbly - in some of the large bubbles you can still see the remains of the charcoal.
The colours are very dense in the bottom of the bowl - pinks, purples and blues shading to translucent around the top - it really needs displaying on it's side!
Roberta

Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: Gary on April 29, 2014, 09:37:19 PM
A nice bowl in a spectacular colourway you have there Roberta, the colour code is 244.
Gary
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: orangeglass on April 29, 2014, 09:45:58 PM
Thanks for that Gary.
 Are you in charge of the colour cataloguing? is Ysartglass waiting for colour codes? There is no 244 on the website (unless I'm looking in the wrong place)
 Does that make mine pre-war or is it the same codes post-war?

Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge,
Roberta
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 30, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
It is a particularly beautiful thing.  :)
I have a small (5") one. ;D

Many bowls do look better displayed upsidedown. I have absolutely no qualms about propping bowls on stands, upsidedown, so they show all their glory properly.
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: Gary on April 30, 2014, 07:15:01 PM
Thanks for that Gary.
 Are you in charge of the colour cataloguing? is Ysartglass waiting for colour codes? There is no 244 on the website (unless I'm looking in the wrong place)
 Does that make mine pre-war or is it the same codes post-war?

Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge,
Roberta

No Roberta I am not in charge of colour cataloguing for Ysart Glass.  Please follow link below for previous thread on colour codes. I believe Frank has a backlog of colour codes to update.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,47418.msg266821.html#msg266821

Technically post war Monart pieces did not have a colour code, as once Monart restarted production in 1947 the colour code was discontinued from the label.
Though many post war pieces had similar colour schemes to pre war pieces.
I believe your bowl is a pre war piece, for two reasons. The first is, the type of base and pontil finish is indicative of a pre war finish. The second (my  personal view), Paul was much more conservative than Salvador (Monart period) in the use of colour schemes.
Your bowl's colour shceme is Salvador at his creative best.
Gary
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 30, 2014, 07:24:17 PM
 :)

Production of such a delicate and thin piece of glass containing so many glorious bubbles as well as the colours speaks of tremendous mastery of glassmaking, particularly given the very primitive facilities and the poorer quality of metal they could get hold of at that time.

The didn't have all the advantages of superior glass recipes and modern technology!

Add that to Salvador's artistry.  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: orangeglass on April 30, 2014, 07:44:44 PM

No Roberta I am not in charge of colour cataloguing for Ysart Glass. 

That was said tongue in cheek Gary!
I also thought it was pre war too!

Re Chopins "delicate and thin piece of glass" - I never think of Monart like that - to me it's glass with substance, not like some where you feel it will break as soon as look at it!

P.S. Gary - did you buy anything today?

Roberta
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 30, 2014, 07:53:52 PM
My bowl is only 3 mm thick.

That accommodates both the bubbles and the polished out pontil scar on the base!

It is an incredibly fragile and delicate thing, although most Monart is somewhat more substantial.
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: orangeglass on April 30, 2014, 08:08:30 PM
Wow, that must be really something, what shape is it?
The smallest thing I have is a 4" ashtray which although thinner isn't quite delicate, and hardly any bubbles!
Roberta
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: Gary on May 01, 2014, 09:20:53 PM
P.S. Gary - did you buy anything today?
I did buy a piece of Monart yesterday, not manage to take photos of it yet. Will post them in an new thread
Below is a link to the auction house with some images of the shape ZK I purchased. An interesting description !! the auction house give the piece.
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/lindsay-burns-and-company/catalogue-id-2898785/lot-21842339
Gary
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: orangeglass on May 01, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
I KNEW IT!!!!!

I was after that - yes what is a "bottle holder" ;D  ;D

Roberta
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: chriscooper on May 01, 2014, 10:12:11 PM
Gorgeous bowl Roberta.
Title: Re: Monart JC bowl
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 02, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
My bowl is you bowl's little 'un.
Same shape. Just yours is 11" and mine is 5".
I think I did post it here, sometime.