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Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Tony H on June 30, 2005, 08:31:50 AM
Hi Everyone

The links below are to English pressed glass each piece has on the inside in raised letters BRITISH MADE.

The Jobling three handle bowl pattern 2077 aka ice cube has the same BRITISH MADE on the inside, I have it in Jade green and also two clear examples .

Can anyone help with ID of the three pieces in photos, are the Jobling, lettering looks the same on all.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/BritishMadefooteddish5inchesby3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/BritishMadebowlwithcrimpededge7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/BritishMadebowl8.jpg

Tony H
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2005, 10:53:44 AM
Tony

I have had a look through a small catalogue of Joblings glass of the 1930's and cannot see any of these in there.... that in itself does not mean they are not Joblings.
However, more compelling, is that the designs on these 3 bowls are not typical of Joblings. Joblings tends to be either more specifically geometric in a deco sort of way, which these are not, or they use natural sources such as fir cones roses etc. I also noticed that very very few of their items were made with an integrated pedestal....they tended more towards either feet or a seperate stand.  Personally these look  much more like the output of a company with a more typical and conventional design remit.

Regards


Gareth


Morgan48
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Tony H on June 30, 2005, 08:41:42 PM
Gareth
Thank you for your comments.

No 5000  Fir Cone Pattern and others are part of there Art glass range, I have a copy of a catalogue of the full range, but I thought they were still making table wear at the same time, see here


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/Weardale.jpg

 for an addvert for Weardale this has the Reg No 724094 and was from the same time.

I have had another look at the words BRITISH MAKE and I feel sure they are the same style font etc.

In my first post I put BRITISH MADE this should read BRITISH MAKE

Tony H
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2005, 05:43:34 PM
Hi Tony

Not sure how Weardale fits in with Joblings art glass items. The name and the design almost appears to be trading itself directly against Chippendale... but that might be coincidence.
Interstingly the reg number you quote precedes any registration number that relates to Joblings art glass... so therefore registered pre 1932.
There are members here, if I recall correctly, that are involved very much in the history of English pressed glass..... hopefully one of them will pick up on your question.

Regards


Gareth


Morgan48
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Tony H on July 02, 2005, 07:29:45 PM
Hi Gareth
Weardale is a line of table glass, the items I have linked to could be from the same time, it is the BRITISH MAKE on the inside of each piece which I feel is Jobling and could pre date there Art Glass range.

BERNARD
Have you seen this at all I remember your study with the Davidson Fostoria MADE IN ENGLAND. have you seen this BRITISH MAKE
on any glass apart from 2077 or have you seen these patterns.

GLEN
Feel free to jump in anytime, have you seen this at all. And anybody who is into early pressed glass would be greatfull for any help.

Tony H
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Glen on July 02, 2005, 07:52:29 PM
Tony, I fear that I can only cast further confusion on the matter. I have two pieces of Carnival Glass that both have the letters BRITISH MAKE. I have been puzzled by them for some time. One is a plain little marigold bowl, and the letters are raised on the interior. The other is more of a puzzle - it is a stemmed sugar (comport) with an intaglio, stylised leaf band design. The letters BRITISH MAKE are cameo on the base. The nearest I have come to seeing that pattern elsewhere is in the catalogues of the Czech maker, Josef Rindskopf. I speculated wildly that the link between Molineaux Webb and Rindskopf might have resulted in a small amount of Carnival being made in the (circa) late 1920s at the Manchester Molineaux Webb works.

That is simply a hypothesy on my behalf - and I have no proof. But then neither do I know who made the pieces with BRITISH MAKE on them.

The pieces you showed are extremely interesting and I have not yet had the chance to investigate them fully (and I have to admit I was hoping someone might jump in with the answer  :? )

A great challenge and a real puzzle. Any one else care to add to it.........

Glen
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Bernard C on July 03, 2005, 05:15:04 AM
Tony, et al — the three items of table glass are not in Jobling's 1936 catalogue.   Of course they could have been Greener/Jobling from the '20s or earlier, as by 1936 Jobling's production of flint tableware was obviously being wound down apart from the Weardale and 1054/1054½ suites.

1054/1054½ is interesting.    It is a very simple pattern with clean lines, 1054 with a 16-point base star with alternate points slightly longer, 1054½ without.    No other decoration, I have a lovely 1054 cupped 1+6 fruit set which is in intermittent use.   Low cupped floating bowls were made in both versions.

The 1054½ floating bowl was also made in jade, and a few were sold as sets with the jade 2541 Statue and Block (the scantily clad lady figurine with grapes), probably only for a very short time before Christmas 1933.   This is illustrated in the centre of a full page advertisement in PG of September 1, 1933, reproduced in Baker & Crowe.   Note that 2541 is an anagram of 54½, probably how they chose the pattern number.    It is shown with a strange tall plinth, probably just artistic licence, as there is no base ring on the floating bowl to locate with a plinth, and the two sets I have seen have both been plinthless.   The ex-factory gate trade on this set was 5/4½, which indicates a probable retail price of 8/11 or 9/11.   Expensive but quite beautiful; in my opinion much more elegant than the later sets in Fircone and other patterned bowls with added plinths.

As for attribution by comparison of lettering punches, Tony, it obviously has to be a perfect match on both size and font.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Tony H on July 03, 2005, 06:40:32 AM
Glen and Bernard
Thank you both for your input to my topic, I will see if I can photo BRITISH MAKE and compare them with each other, will keep you posted.

Tony H
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Frank on July 03, 2005, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: "Bernard C"
As for attribution by comparison of lettering punches, Tony, it obviously has to be a perfect match on both size and font.


And of course you have to allow for glassmakers buying punches from the same maker!
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Bernard C on July 03, 2005, 07:16:15 PM
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Bernard C"
As for attribution by comparison of lettering punches, Tony, it obviously has to be a perfect match on both size and font.

And of course you have to allow for glassmakers buying punches from the same maker!

Good point, Frank.   However my own experience is that three quarters of a century or more ago a mouldmaker's set of hardened tool steel alphanumeric punches was as individual as a set of fingerprints.

The problem is that I don't know how these punches were made.   How do we find out?

Bernard C.  8)
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Glen on July 03, 2005, 07:18:55 PM
Well, I can add one thing (fwiw). It is very unusual indeed (exceptional in fact) to find Carnival Glass marked with "British Make".
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Frank on July 03, 2005, 08:20:23 PM
The punches were cast and finished by hand. They would have been made by a professional tool-making company.

However, some glassworks had substantial engineering departments and could have made their own. For example, John Moncrieff Ltd in Perth were fairly self sufficient and could have made such things themselves.
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Tony H on August 21, 2005, 06:45:04 AM
Hi

I have an update on this topic, in my collection of Weardale pieces I have a two handle sugar, when I examine this piece I discovered that it has both the Reg No and BRITISH MAKE on the inside base. This BRITISH MAKE matches my other pieces, has anyone seen any of these patterns?

May not be conclusive but could be a good referance point.

Tony H
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2005, 09:16:50 AM
Quote from: "Tony H"
Hi

I when I examine this piece I discovered that it has both the Reg No and BRITISH MAKE on the inside base.
Tony H


Hi TonyH

What is the registration number please


Gareth
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Tony H on August 21, 2005, 09:46:07 AM
Hi Gareth
The Reg No 724094 20 September 1926.

I have 9 pieces of Weardale in my collection, all have the Reg No on them.

Tony H
Title: JOBLING glass
Post by: Tony H on March 10, 2006, 05:59:54 AM
Hi
I have opened a new album for BRITISH MAKE pieces. There are 3 photos of a new find, it is a small dish 3 inch in diameter by 1.5 inch high, inside are the words BRITISH MAKE very much like my other pieces, also the top edge is like a pattern called Quadruped ( Chippendale ) but has a pattern on the bottom edge a bit like Weardale.

Will add my other photos of BRITISH MAKE glass to this album later, an interesting topic, can anyone help with ID of table wear patterns from early 1900s for Greener, Jobling.

Tony H in NZ
Title: Re: JOBLING glass
Post by: flying free on July 15, 2011, 02:37:13 PM
I've been trying to id this opaline uranium jade glass frog, which I think is Jobling and seems to fit nicely into my 1054 bowl as well as matching in colour and opacity etc.  It has BRITISH MAKE written on the base as well as 6 little knobbles as feet, 19 holes.  I  thought I'd post it here as it seemed appropriate.  If anyone can confirm this for me I'd be grateful. Many thanks  :sun:
Title: Re: JOBLING glass
Post by: Mosquito on July 19, 2011, 11:10:55 PM
Hi,

I'm certain the frog is Jobling; it seems to exactly match the Jobling examples i've handled in terms of form, hole count & marks. Below is one of my old examples sat in the 1054 bowl it came with. I've also had these in standard colours - one came with a three part flower set, all in clear uranium green; again, shape & marks match. :)

Steven
Title: Re: JOBLING glass
Post by: flying free on July 19, 2011, 11:19:32 PM
oh my goodness, I have just realised something really weird - Steven thanks so much for confirming this.  I bought that 1054 bowl yonks ago but I only bought the frog a few weeks ago.  I've now remembered I bought them both from the same place.  They must not have put the frog out at the same time, or lost it in the stock and when they found it again, put it out. And I happened to be in there and picked it up.  How absolutely weird is that?  so I have to think they were originally together because that is just too much of a coincidence. 
Thank you!!!
m
Title: Re: JOBLING glass
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 20, 2011, 11:21:15 AM
That is not uncommon. I know Bernard has had it happen, and I had it happen with this http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=843 in a place we don't visit that often; jug and glasses separately
Title: Re: JOBLING glass
Post by: flying free on July 21, 2011, 07:45:45 PM
very weird experience isn't it, to just happen to be there at the right time?