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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: tropdevin on March 26, 2012, 07:18:47 PM

Title: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: tropdevin on March 26, 2012, 07:18:47 PM
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This multi insect paperweight (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574631383&toolid=10001&campid=5336261829&customid=&icep_item=251025207849&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229508&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg) has a concave polished base and appears to have a 'dropped Y' signature cane. So maybe not by Paul Ysart....

Alan
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: SophieB on March 26, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
Hi Alan,

Interestingly the seller of this triple insects weight identified correctly an Ysart fake (a triple flower weight) in another of his listings...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vibrant-Paul-Ysart-Style-Paperweight-/251025206249?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item3a7244abe9

SophieB

Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: RAY on March 26, 2012, 10:27:49 PM
both weights as i can see have the dropped PY cane
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: jamalpa36 on March 27, 2012, 09:29:13 AM
Hi All

I had a single insect similar to the bottom insect. It looks more like a moth than a Dragonfly so I sent a Photo to Paul Ysart asking if it was his.

He said that he had not made this weight so in my opinion this is a forgery.

I am sure Kev can confirm this.

Roy
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: KevinH on March 27, 2012, 10:42:15 AM
A few days ago, I notified the seller of the status of both weights with links to my own and the Ysart Glass pages on fake py weights. The seller updated the listings almost immediately.

The Triple Flower had its title amended to "Paul Ysart style" and the description was changed, stating, "Although this carries a PY n one of the canes, it may be a copy ... ". The seller added a similar comment to the description of the Triple Insect but probably could not change the title at that time without deleting and relisting.
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: Roger H on March 28, 2012, 11:51:05 PM
Yes I agree, just seen the 2 weights on the auction and they are both fakes. The PY canes are not correct because of the colours and the antenae are not PY designed and made.
      Had an excellent example 3 or 4 years ago which I unfortunately sold. Still have a photo of it but it is 325 kb so cant post it on here.
        Regards Roger,
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: KevinH on March 29, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
Roger, if you are unable to reduce the Kb size of the image, just send it to me via my email icon and I will sort it out and add it, which would be useful for future information in the thread.
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: KevinH on March 29, 2012, 03:36:17 PM
Roger's photo (slightly cropped and reduced to 600 pixel width) added here.

Although Roger's weight is not a Triple Insect example, like one of the current eBay ones, the form of the butterfly is very typical of most of those known. His weight is also, I believe, the exact one illustrated in the book Ysart Glass as Plate 206 and shown in the Ysart Glass web pages as PY fake009 (http://www.ysartglass.com/PaulYsart/PYfakes001.htm).
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: w84it on March 29, 2012, 06:26:40 PM
This Paul Ysart "style" is catching on.   See ebay listing 170813839648.   This one appears to

 be genuine?
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: tropdevin on March 29, 2012, 09:06:57 PM
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Looks like a genuine Harland era 'Paul Ysart studio' piece to me (though quite who actually made each of the Harland pieces is a whole different can of worms.....I have heard it said more than once that Paul made the 'PY' signed weights, and that his apprentices made the 'H' signed weights).

Alan
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: Roger H on March 29, 2012, 09:44:45 PM
Yes the ebay weight seems to be exactly as you say Kevin.  Bit of a dilemna for sellers when they cant be sure of the genuineness of a piece, can understand why Ysart style is easier as a title.
    After careful comparison, Frank Andrews and my PY fake butterfly are one of the same I believe.  Wish I had not sold it now. Sold it to a local antique dealer in Norwich about three years ago and he sold it on.
    Do you still have it Frank or is it just a photo on the site?
       Regards Roger.
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: KevinH on March 29, 2012, 10:27:26 PM
The ebay weight that w84it noted is indeed, as Alan says, a genuine Hraland era item.

The seller's description and photos confirm this, with a genuine "py" label [which could conceivably have been added later] and an "H" cane embedded within the underside of the blue ground [which could not have been added later].

So the "Style" part of the title does seem to be redundant.

I wonder whether some people are thinking that unless there is a genuine "PY" cane they should err on the side of caution and use the "Style" word. If anyone reading this is of that view, I would recommend the use of "Studio" rather than "Style" (as in "Paul Ysart Harland Studio") if you accept the Harland part as the source of manufacture but are unsure about whether Paul Ysart actually made it.
Title: Re: Ysart ?? butterfly
Post by: Roger H on March 31, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
Maker of, what do you think "PY or not in view of the "H"cane. Is the demarcation really so? Roger.