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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: Anne on March 29, 2008, 09:06:13 PM
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Way back when in Oct 2005, Ivo posted some pieces in a Dalian/Nason lookalike topic - one of which was a Nason pressed glass powder bowl and lid in black/aventurine as seen here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2811.msg21379.html#msg21379
I'd forgotten all about this until today when shifting topics around (again!) I found it and realised that the pressed pot appears to be the exact same shape as one of my mystery powder bowls! See attached.
There's no marks/labels or anything on my pot, and I really hadn't known that Nason made pressed glass either, so I'm now wondering if my green pot is also Nason? And if anyone knows any more about Nason pressed glass production please?
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An update: on exploring again at Pamela's Pressglas-Pavillon website, I found the same shape bowl attributed to Sindorf, which sounds much more likely for mine too. http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/deckeldosen/05366.html
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Sindorf was an absolutely great find of SG - Thank you, Mr. Grieger for this! Nearly 20 items could have been attributed right away! :hiclp:
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Go to Pressglas-Pavillon.de and the new link at the left: Sindorf
Sincerely hope you will be equally successful as I was :chky:
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I have several reference photos for trinket sets identified as German Sindorf Neckar sets. The lidded pots are usually the most identifiable pieces, and accord with those on Anne’s and Pamela’s sites. I have photos showing pieces in clear blue, clear peachy pink, frosted pink and frosted uranium green (so, because of the green uranium glass, I suspect that the sets originate in the mid- to late 1930s). Only one set has a candlestick, and that may possibly be a mismatched piece.
Initially, all the trays were a similar oval shape as in my first photo (© bazza131313).
Now, I have come across a trinket set where the pots are (in my view anyway) the same shape as the ‘usual’ Sindorf Neckar pots, but the colourway is most unusual – a clear body but with the highlights picked out in a pale turquoise-blue colour. This time, however, the pots are complemented by a tray that is rectangular (though in similar overall style to the oval trays I had seen previously), and a pair of rather elegant candlesticks - the tray and the candlesticks are also clear with their highlights picked out in the turquoise-blue colour, so I presume they must be all part of a matching set. (Permission for the re-use of these images on the GMB granted by denchris3027).
The candlesticks with the turquoise-blue set are in the same pattern as a candlestick I have had in my ‘unknown’ file for a while – but this time the body of the candlestick is clear with the highlights picked out in emerald green. (Permission for the re-use of this image on the GMB granted by max_mild).
I suspect that the sets with coloured highlights are (later?) variants of the ‘usual’ Sindorf Neckar sets. Does anyone have catalogue (or other) confirmation that the sets with the coloured highlights are by Sindorf and that the pattern is indeed Neckar?
Fred.
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The GTS Mystery set 82 is Sindorf Neckar.
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=86
GTS German Sindorf Neckar Link
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/german/sindorf/neckar
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I'm still not 100% certain of Mystery #82 as Neckar, as the green frosted and pink frosted ones appear to have a groove along the ridges of the pots. My Neckar pot doesn't have such a ridge, neither do the other unfrosted ones in the pics, nor the enamelled ones.
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Oh that's interesting Anne, I'll have to study these a bit more.
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I don't know if this helps or makes anything any clearer. A couple of pictures of the part set I have in frosted Uranium green with a candlestick. I bought what is shown plus another small lidded bowl, all sold together as a set.
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Oh yes, thank you that helps enormously as I can see the how the powder pot differs from mine. I'll add a pic of mine here so you can see what I mean... on the lid each panel is smooth down to the rim and there is no ridge between the panels
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Until I found the same pieces here as Mystery #82 I sometimes wondered if they were in fact a set at all. Although all the pieces have elements of each others designs they each have some inconsistency.
The pots are clearly from the same set, but the star design on their bases doesn't match the one on the tray.
The candlestick is so slim and angular which seemed out of place with the rest of the set which is distinctly rounded. Also it doesn't have the groove to the high points of its base or column which is inconsistent with the pot lids and bowls. The grooves and panels at the top of the candlestick are repeated, unlike the pot lids. Is it possible that the candlestick and tray are from one variation with several layers of panels and the pots a different less complex one?
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They are very nice pics theElench! I agree the tall slim candlesticks are somewhat out of place, but I have seen them several times with the tray, pots and ring holder.
Finally after 18 months I have studied a little more as promised and taken a few comparison pics, you are quite right Anne they are not the same.
I'm unsure if my green "Neckar Style" pot is the small or large as I only have one, but it measures at 10cm across x 9cm high.
The blue Sindorf Neckar pot measures 12cm across by 9.5cm high.
The biggest difference I suppose, is the sunburst in the base of the unknown pot, plus the grooves instead of ridges on lid and base.
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Jayne, thank you, those are really useful photos and show the differences up well. Seeing them side by side I'm now more inclined to say your green one is not Sindorf but until we find it in a catalogue we're a bit stuck to know for sure.
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Hi Jayne, the two pots I have are:
Small. 10cm dia. and 9cm high.
Large 11.5cm dia. and 10cm high.
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Thanks for that theElench, that's useful to know, my pics of the green Neckar style pot are the small version then. :)
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Anne, the Mystery Set 82 page appears to have an Amber Walther Roland Oval Glass Tray added, they are very similar but the Mystery 82 Tray has more grooves around the rim, also a blue Sindorf Neckar Powder Bowl is added there.
https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=86
https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Walther-1933.34+B6YmFja1BJRD0zNCZwcm9kdWN0SUQ9MTM0NSZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD0zNCZkZXRhaWw9.0.html
Note: 24cm Oval and Rectangular Roland Trays usually seen with Walther Mary Glass Candlesticks.
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I was surprised to find the Sindorf Neckar Glass Powder Bowls/Lidded Trinket Pots come in more than one size, the larger one is really quite chunky, I am attaching some photos to try and demonstrate how large it is. :)
The smaller one measures 12 cm diameter x 10cm high.
The larger one measures 14.5cm diameter x 12cm high.
Also a new colour for Anne to add to the list on GTS: Teal.
https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/german/sindorf/neckar