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Title: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: Roger H on April 05, 2011, 01:25:11 PM
      Murano I believe??? Has a polished base. Diameter 2.4 inches. Regards Roger.
Title: Re: ID ???????
Post by: alexander on April 05, 2011, 03:03:20 PM
Not Murano, Scottish judging from the canes. Looks like a variation of a Caithness "Noughts and Crosses" altho I have never seen one like this.

Other will know more.
Title: Re: ID ???????
Post by: tropdevin on April 05, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
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I agree - looks like a version of 'Noughts and Crosses'.

Alan
Title: Re: ID ???????
Post by: Roger H on April 05, 2011, 08:40:20 PM
      Well when I bought it I thought perhaps it reminded me of the noughts and crosses as you suggest although I had only a top view. The cross cane looked too good for murano or chinese, more like the perthshire development of it but take a look at the base and it is a low profile at 1.2 inches.
Title: Re: ID ???????
Post by: rosieposie on April 05, 2011, 08:41:58 PM
Is the cross in the LH cane a Maltese cross?  If so, was this used in Scottish weights?  I know very little (ie, nothing!) about paperweights, but am intending to learn.....
Title: Re: ID ???????
Post by: tropdevin on April 05, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
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I think the truth is that the shapes in canes can get very distorted as the hot glass is manipulated in manufacture (I wrote a detailed article on this in a PCA bulletin a few years ago, called 'Alphabet Soup' ).  So it is easy to see something that is not meant to be there, or is a variation on what was meant to be there! That said, I think that Vasart / Strathearn and others made a variety of cross shapes that were intended to be what one might call Maltese crosses - and this cane is consistent with those.

Regarding bases, most Murano have flat polished bases, without doubt. But so do some of Scottish weights - for example, Ysart Harland era weights, Caithness weights, some Strathearn weights such as the 'scattered on muslin' and their clear glass spoke designs with dates in them.....all too confusing!

Alan
Title: Re: ID ???????
Post by: Roger H on April 05, 2011, 09:32:46 PM
 Just had a look at a very similar weight put on this site for ID ,July 5th 2009. Seems it is Caithness, therefore the CUG underneath is really a CIIG denoting a second, possibly because it is difficult to see the lines. Maltese cross, I believe so. I didn't realise Caithness made such a low profile weight . Thanks for all the comments. Roger.
Title: Re: ID ???????
Post by: rosieposie on April 05, 2011, 09:51:31 PM
I did see the CIIG mark,  but assumed you had seen it and knew what that meant......I wonder why they would have a Maltese Cross though, rather than a St. Andrews cross??
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: Roger H on April 05, 2011, 10:50:15 PM
        When I purchased the weight the description was CUG inscribed on the base, the only view I had was a top view but I only paid a small price for it so I bought it out of interest really.
                               Regards  Roger
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 06, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
The Saltire is rectangular - it doesn't fit into a round or square shape too well.  :ooh:
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: ALLAN on April 06, 2011, 04:31:14 PM
Hi All,
       Just a quick note to confirm this is a Caithness weight. The cane does have a Maltese cross in it: it is one of a range of canes which Harry McKay and I designed in the early 1980s to use in all weights requiring millefiori canes. Originally as I remember we made around 22-23 basic "single pull " designs of which the Maltese cross was number 15. The canes were used for various weights right up to the end of the Perth factory. It was a Maltese cross as it is the easiest cross to form; all it required was Harry to use a basic 8 point star mould and then squeeze the star inbetween every second point of the star using his pricillas. This brought 4 of the inward facing points closer to the centre and forced the other 4 inward points back out to form the flatter outer edges of the cross. hope this helps.

                                             Allan
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: rosieposie on April 06, 2011, 05:42:56 PM
Thank you Allan for a very clear explaination.  I am getting more and more interested in paperweights by the day....not sure where I will put them though! :usd:
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 07, 2011, 04:15:15 PM
 :usd:
If you saw any of Allan's weights you'd find room for them, Rosieposie!

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1496
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: rosieposie on April 07, 2011, 05:46:28 PM
Shouldn't have shown me those Sue!! ;)
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 07, 2011, 06:03:38 PM
I've just had a hunt in the gallery - and I can't find Allan's Neptune weight - it's Leni's, but it came from the Scottish Glass Society Exhibition in 2005 in Crieff - and I was there, so I saw it, and some others....
 >:D

Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: Wuff on April 07, 2011, 08:34:26 PM
Wanna see more of Allan's paperweights? Click here (http://www.seelentags.de/AS/) :)
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: rosieposie on April 07, 2011, 10:00:38 PM
Thank you Sue and Wolf,  I was entranced looking at those.  :sun: I have just one Caithness paperweight my sister bought me when I started my Aromatherapy clinic as it was so like my logo......it is two pink and two purple 'hands' surrounding a large drop-shaped bubble.....I love it!
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 08, 2011, 12:43:41 PM
 :sc:
I know we're a little bit off-topic, but we simply can't have a response from Allan without showing his fabulous work.  ;D
I found a load of teddy bear weights and a beautiful bunny rabbit one when trawling Scotland's Glass too....
Title: Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
Post by: ALLAN on April 08, 2011, 08:21:46 PM
Thanks for the nice comments everyone, it is always good to know your work is appreciated.

                                                    Allan