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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Glen on May 31, 2006, 11:58:25 AM
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As there have been a couple of recent threads with concerns about fake Carnival, I thought it would be beneficial to show you a fake "Northwood" Peacocks bowl.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7419173087
I don't think the seller realises that it is a fake and she states she is unsure of its past. Note she mentions it has a letter N on the base. Some of the fakes have a fairly chunky looking letter N moulded on them. The genuine Northwood mark was a letter N underlined in a circle.
You can see a green Peacocks bowl here for comparison - it is a genuine one.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/what_is.html
The edge is different, but that's not a clue in this case (the edges on both fake and genuine article may be piecrust as this green one is, or just ruffled). Note how the pattern on the fake fills the bowl more. The design goes closer to the edge as well, on the fake.
There are lots of other differences, but they are more tricky to explain and demonstrate without actually having the pieces to hand. However, a good look at the Far Eastern fake Peacocks may be useful for anyone who is interested.
Glen
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Hi Glen,
Thanks for that. Every piece of information is very helpful. :D
I was just considering starting a thread about a 3 footed bowl that I have.
I am pretty sure that it is the "Open Rose"/"Lustre Rose" pattern, in Marigold. I have read that Imperial's molds have passed through many hands and new versions and colours are still being made.
I know 'fake' and 'reproduction' aren't the same, but how would I know if my bowl is a reproduction or classic Carnival? :oops: :?
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Good question, Della. I hope I'm up to it :lol:
Imperial themselves reproduced their Open Rose/Lustre Rose pieces. There has been a lot of controversy around some versions which have a moulded rose on the marie - but current thinking suggests that those are Classic Carnival.
I would use two main ways of distinguishing old from new: the colour and whether trademarked or not. Newer Imperial pieces will be marked with the IG / LIG or ALIG trademarks. Smith has used the Open Rose bowl mould - and Summit has used the water set and table set moulds.
Classic Carnival pieces were mainly made in marigold, helios green and (less often) purple. Other old colours are pretty rare. I would say that your marigold bowl is most likely a Classic old one.
Glen
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Again, Glen, many thanks. :D :D
Imperial themselves reproduced their Open Rose/Lustre Rose pieces. There has been a lot of controversy around some versions which have a moulded rose on the marie - but current thinking suggests that those are Classic Carnival.
Mine does have the moulded rose on the marie. It is a 3 footed bowl with a slighty fluted rim. Not marked in any other way.
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Almost certainly an old example, Della. And it's a fact that we don't see too many USA reproductions of this Imperial pattern in Europe - they are more easily located in the USA itself. On the other hand, a huge amount of old Classic Imperial Carnival was exported to Europe from around 1910 to the late 1920s.
We certainly do see the Far Eastern Carnival fakes (Good Luck, Grape & Cable and Peacocks) in Europe though - much more than they do in the USA.
Glen
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http://www.wholesale-glass-dealer.com/products/bowl/bowl0377.htm
Here's the Open Rose ruffled bowl (flat base) in dark green Carnival made by L.E. Smith
Glen
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These are ultra quick photos of mine.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_openrose.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2143)(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_openroses.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2142)
:shock: Click to enlarge :shock:
Just spotted the book underneath :wink: A FANTASTIC book!
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Lovely bowl, Della. Sure looks like the real deal to me. (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cartoon/1244.gif)
Glen