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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Mabel on April 13, 2013, 02:42:08 PM
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Hi, I'm so pleased I've found this fantastic site .....An old Uncle brought some glass paperweights over from America back here to the UK around the time of the 2nd world war ......I'm wanting to post pics .....where do i post them for adice and possibly help to identify the make etc xx
Regards xx
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Welcome Mabel, you post a seperate thread in here for each weight and we will get back to you soon as possible!
Either upload them onto this site, though the filesize needs to reasonably small, or link to them from here.
Ian
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Hope I'm doing this right & the pics come on ...x
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Hi Mabel.
That one is an Old English paperweight by Bacchus - very nice!
Alan
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Hope the others are as good!
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The others are a glass shaped head and shoulders ....' Washington ....gillinder and sons ?? .."
I have no idea of value or age of the one above .....how old would you say please and does it have value ?? Xx
Really appreciate anyone time on this ..it's just sat in an old box with bits and bobs x
We have no idea about glass ..xx
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Hi Mabel
The age of the Bacchus is circa 1850.
It is the policy of the Glass Message Board not to give specific estimates of value. However, I do offer free advice on ID and valuation through my website (link below), so if you send me a message by email (there is a contact point on my website) I will give you an idea of value (which I am sure will please you ;) ) .
Alan
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Oh deary me ...I hope it's the oldest and nicest you have ever seen ...lol xx
We have no idea and just thought we would enquire on a reputable forum ,just to get an idea if its worth hanging onto .....thanks I've emailed you x
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Don't believe a word of it, it's only worth a fiver ;D I'll send you a cheque now plus another £5 for postage. ;D
Seriously though that's a very nice paperweight I'm sure you'll be very happy and surprised with Alan's valuation, wish I could find one just sat in a box of bits and bobs.
Nick
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:) haha ...made me chuckle ....forgot to say it sits approx 2.5 inch across on a tape measure x
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Hi. Two and a half inches would be unusually small for a Bacchus, so I suspect it may be a bit bigger if measured exactly at its widest point.
I have the same problem as Nick - any box of bits and bobs I have (or acquire) usually contains nothing of any value or interest....but that is how it has to be: if everyone had a Bacchus (or anything considered rare) in their cupboard, or found one every time they went to a charity shop, they would not be rare, and we would not be talking about them. (I am sure there is a name for that concept - it is a bit like the 'weak anthropic principle' for the existence of life on earth, but applied to a narrow class of objects...any philosophers out there who can enlighten us?)
Alan
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I've just asked the Hubby to measure it ,it's definitely 2.5 inch at its widest point ? Does this put a spanner in the works with its identity ? Thanks in advance x
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Hi Mabel
No - it is definitely a Bacchus paperweight. Just a smaller than usual piece, so maybe not quite so attractive to collectors - but still very desirable.
Alan
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Larger, but....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-RARE-BACCHUS-CONCENTRIC-MILLEFIORI-PAPERWEIGHT-Circa-1850-/251241196806?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7f246d06&nma=true&si=kMX9%252BXIat80fQpQhbSkuKt%252FxXWo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Regarding the eBay item linked above, the way the basket canes are invisible from above suggests to me it has had significant repolishing, and may well have been 3 1/2 inch or bigger originally.
Alan
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it says in the photos it's had a repolish but as you say Alan looks more than slightly
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We had an earlier discussion of Bacchus vs. Gillinder. This weight resembles my paperweight in size and color. See the earlier discussion: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51498.msg292030.html#msg292030 (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51498.msg292030.html#msg292030)
Although the experts on this board rejected Gillinder, I'm still not convinced. Mabel states that her paperweight was brought back from the US. It may be American rather than UK.
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Hi Allan.
Interesting point, especially as it seems to be on the small side for classic Bacchus. That said, our first classic Bacchus came from Canada; our second from Australia; our third from the USA - these items have a habit of moving around! And two of our Arculus door stops came from the USA too.
You may recall that John Hawley presented an analysis of 23 Gillinder paperweights in the 2006 Bulletin that split them into two clear categories: the beautiful facetted ones, with lead glass of SG around 2.81 to 2.89, and the unfacetted or less tidy ones made of glass of SG around 2.45 to 2.47 (ie soda lime glass). Mabel's weight, were it Gillinder, would fall into the second group. John Hawley and I between us have measured the SG of 21 'classic Bacchus' weights, and have found they all lie in the range 2.95 to 3.10. So an SG measurement on her weight should show clearly to which group it belongs.
Alan
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There is what looks like a Whitefriars" Bacchus " on ebay , what do the more knowledgeable think ?
The seller seems to be honest reasonable and ready to answer questions and says he has spoken to many weighties about this weight .
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Hi. If you mean the 'Possible Bacchus' at £830.00, it is a fairly typical Walsh Walsh piece. I have told the seller (who is a selling agent for others) in the past, but the owner - whoever that may be - insists it is a 'possible Bacchus'.
The moon is 'possibly made of cheese' too.....
Alan
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I think this ones better, never laughed out loud at a paperweight listing til I saw this ;D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Egyptian-Great-Sphinx-abstract-paperweight-clay-desk-sculpture-handmade-vintage-/230961908383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c6670a9f (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Egyptian-Great-Sphinx-abstract-paperweight-clay-desk-sculpture-handmade-vintage-/230961908383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c6670a9f)
Nick
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Ahhh THANKS Alan I was trying to be subtle as using the forum , I was pretty sure you would know but he said he had asked so many people with no result .
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Sorry, if it's one step removed from topic (What a sweet weight, btw!!!) but I've been trying to find a similar corollary to getting on what appears to be the "Short" line in the supermarket, only to find that it invariably it will prove to be the slowest!. There has to be a word for it somewhere in the oxy-dictionary but I've yet to find a copy!
/h-g
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Hi. Two and a half inches would be unusually small for a Bacchus, so I suspect it may be a bit bigger if measured exactly at its widest point.
I have the same problem as Nick - any box of bits and bobs I have (or acquire) usually contains nothing of any value or interest....but that is how it has to be: if everyone had a Bacchus (or anything considered rare) in their cupboard, or found one every time they went to a charity shop, they would not be rare, and we would not be talking about them. (I am sure there is a name for that concept - it is a bit like the 'weak anthropic principle' for the existence of life on earth, but applied to a narrow class of objects...any philosophers out there who can enlighten us?)
Alan