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Title: Frosted Glass in chrome holder
Post by: Tramonto on January 07, 2005, 11:00:35 PM
Hi everyone, I'm a glass newby here and wondered if I could ask about an item I have seen and a similar one which I own.  What I have seen is a green frosted, almost boat-shaped but wider, bowl in a chrome holder which has a handle and is decorated with leaves.  One, I was wondering if this could be bagley (just because the glass reminds me of some bagley pieces I've seen) and two, the chrome has caused rust type marks on the glass and I'm wondering whether they are possible to remove or whether they will be kind of ingrained now.

Thanks for reading my questions (hopefully)

Oh, almost forgot the one I own.  Again a green glass bowl, but not frosted, in a very similar chrome holder.  The glass is quite patterned in this one with stars and central swirls and the top of the bowl is zig-zagged.  

Do either of these pieces sound familiar to anyone?

Many thanks
Title: Frosted Glass in chrome holder
Post by: Glen on January 08, 2005, 08:55:03 AM
Your second item sounds like it could be Sowerby's #2480 boat. In Carnival Glass this pattern is known as "English Hobstar". It is often found in a chrome holder.

Your other item could well be Bagley - but a photo would help to establish all the above.


PS. I just checked out the Auctionbytes message board where I thought I had seen a message asking for help in removing rust. Someone wrote that they had successfully removed rust using "Bar Keeper's Friend" (I don't think this is Ronaldo from round the corner at number 6 who helps out on busy Saturdays - most likely the cleaning powder you can get in supermarkets such as Sainsbury's). I haven't tried using it on glass myself, so I can't advise personally. But if you want to risk it, I would go carefully and make the powder into a damp paste before you apply it to the glass. Disclaimer! As I say - I have not tried this - so go carefully.
Title: Frosted Glass in chrome holder
Post by: Glen on January 08, 2005, 05:15:52 PM
The English equivalent of Bar Keeper's Friend is Bar Keeper's Friend. They sell it in Sainsbury's (well they do in my local one). I have a tub of it under the kitchen sink - it's good stuff. :lol:

And yes, your photo confirms that it is what I said before - Sowerby's #2480 boat. In Carnival Glass this pattern is known as "English Hobstar".

Title: Frosted Glass in chrome holder
Post by: Anne on January 08, 2005, 08:58:20 PM
I have the same holder (or very similar) with a clear patterned bowl in it.

There's a picture of it here:

I'd be interested in knowing who made them also.

Edited to update the image link
Title: Frosted Glass in chrome holder
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2005, 11:08:09 AM
Anne - A number of  "platers" as they were known made chromium plated stuff for the glass industy among, no doubt, many other trades.

One which supplied Sowerbys was Wm. Lindop, of somewhere in the Midlands.  One of the best known was Abrahams of Birmingham.  They were big enough to buy in glass and fit their own bits and pieces (chrome rims in particular) before wholesaling the finished article themselves.  They were one of Sowerbys biggest customers and they were pretty big at Davidsons too.

Of course Abrahams took over Davidsons in the 1960s and at some stage moved their entire chromium plating operation to the Davidson site in Gateshead.  I saw this in 1975 during the early part of my second, non-glass career.  This may have been the only time when glassmaking and chromium plating took place on the same premises.

Adam D.
Title: Chrome holders
Post by: Tramonto on January 10, 2005, 06:38:25 PM
Hi Anne and all

Glen kindly ID'd mine as being Sowerby, but the majority of pieces I've seen in chrome I think are Bagley, like the little tulip vase and the round and horseshoe shaped posy troughts, both in the same green frosted glass.  They have fascinated me for years as when I was about 12 years old (long time ago!) I bought a green frosted glass vase and therefore other similar items have always caught my eye.  I now know that this vase, which cost 5p I think, is none other than Bagley's Grantham vase.  I only wish I'd continued to buy them as these are now going for crazy prices on ebay.

Anne, you mentioned some other flower frogs which you'd seen on ebay with the same problems as mine.  Could you possibly post a link or give a ref number (if that sort of thing is done here) and then I can take a look please?  I do keep searching for them on ebay but as of yet I haven't seen any with these same cracks or read any mention of them in any descriptions at all.

Many thanks
Christine (hopefully not a dreaded Guest :-) )
Title: Frosted Glass in chrome holder
Post by: Anne on January 10, 2005, 07:26:42 PM
Hi Christine (nice to have a proper name to call you  8) )

The ones on this item 3774555121 seem to be every other hole (though the picture's not too clear) - click the image of the base closeup to see a larger version where they are more visible.

This one is very clear 3774320761 and seem to be exactly what you're describing? This is a castle-shaped frog rather than a figure but the marks are very clear.

Hope this helps. :)
Title: Frosted Glass in chrome holder
Post by: paradisetrader on January 10, 2005, 08:09:08 PM
I  have checked one of my Flower frogs - it also has these lines but very faint and you can hardly feel them.

It would seem that this is something which happens unavoidably in manufacture so therefore nothing to worry about Christine.

Title: Frogs n things (sorry, crossing threads here)
Post by: Tramonto on January 10, 2005, 11:08:36 PM
Hi Anne, well spotted, thanks, the castle frog certainly does have the same cracks/marks/seams!!  They're not specifically mentioned in the description but the photos are quite clear enough for any buyer to see just what they are getting.

Peter, thanks for letting me know about yours, now I don't feel so bad.

Another lady is on her way to me and she was described as "perfect" so we shall see.  I have a horrid feeling I'm becoming addicted ;-)

Happy glass hunting
Christine    (who can spell Trough, honest!)