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Title: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: valjk on November 10, 2012, 02:06:44 AM
Hi, I've been searching hard for anything like this glass bowl and would be grateful for any suggestions.  It is incredibly heavy, about 2.5 kilos, and made of very pale green glass which shows dark green in the thicker area of the lobes.  Diameter about 10.5 inches, 27cm.  The wide rim part is flat, not rippled as in many similar bowls, and there are six lobes, not five, which seems to be an unusual feature.  There is a polished concave circle underneath and the base of the lobes radiates out flat in an uneven flower shape, with quite a lot of old scratches.  I don't know if it is blown or moulded but it is a really heavy object to blow!  Any ideas?
Thanks,
Valerie
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: langhaugh on November 10, 2012, 02:23:37 AM
Interesting bowl. It looks blown using an optic mould . The colour is really different from the older bowls I've seen.  Scandinavian doesn't look  like a good bet. Czech would seem closest but it's not familiar. Not very helpful, sorry, but nice piece of glass.

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: Ivo on November 10, 2012, 08:08:26 AM
Check the scratches for a faint needle sig which says Orrefors HU and a number.
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: valjk on November 11, 2012, 02:24:16 AM
Thanks Ivo.  I've examined the scratches and no amount of wishful thinking can make me see a name or number in there, all the scratches are straight and random!  But looking at images for Orrefors there are certainly some heavy 6-lobed bowls in coloured glass which are similar (but smaller and blue), and I found several different objects in the same shade of green.  Did Orrefors ever issue unsigned pieces?  Or did they have imitators/competitors who produced similar pieces?  David, I don't know why you ruled out Scandinavian but I'll certainly do a search for Czech as well!
Thanks for your help,
Valerie
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: NMott on November 11, 2012, 04:42:09 PM
Could it be Daum? It's one of their colours.
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: valjk on November 12, 2012, 12:28:30 AM
I've just searched for Daum bowls, what wonderful objects they are!  I love their landscape bowls and vases, the phrase "to die for" springs to mind.  But haven't yet found any Daum bowls which look like mine, which is quite plain in comparison to most of their pieces.  So I'll keep searching, and learning something new every time I start looking.  Orrefors still seems the most likely, but only if they sometimes failed to sign their pieces.

I'm grateful for any suggestions, they all teach me something new!

Valerie
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: Ivo on November 12, 2012, 08:10:40 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orrefors-Free-Form-Crystal-Bowl-Edvard-Hald-/370637845273
i have one of these in diameter 29 and one in diameter 16 cm, both signed but very faint. I believe these have been in production for a very long time.
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: Leni on November 12, 2012, 09:39:11 AM
To me, that colour has a look of Whitefriars Emerald!  :-\
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: Ivo on November 12, 2012, 11:43:56 AM
for the record: this is the Daum colour.
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: bOBA on November 12, 2012, 02:34:39 PM
I am not making this attribution any easier(!!) but I do remember seeing a couple of very very similar bowls attributed as Czech, design by Koudelka (who is normally associated with the Prachen ranges), a couple of years ago, although the colourway was slightly different. Which factory he designed those for I cannot immediately remember,

Robert (bOBA)
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: langhaugh on November 13, 2012, 12:10:17 AM
Orrefors HU 1598/5 is a very strong contender, as Ivo has been suggesting. The shape is exactly right, but I can't find the dimensions listed anywhere. I've only seen a b & w photo of the piece, which was designed in 1937, so I've no idea of the colours. The green still looks a little unusual to me. 

The lack of a signature would concern me a little, although there is a great deal of wear on the base. I remember a vase a couple of years that was identical to a Lindstrand Balinese dancer vase. It had no signature. I was certain it was Lindstrand until I saw the vase on the front cover of a Czech publication from about 1946. I think Lobmeyr had made it.

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: Ivo on November 13, 2012, 10:13:36 AM
Orrefors HU 1598/5 is a very strong contender, as Ivo has been suggesting. The shape is exactly right, but I can't find the dimensions listed anywhere

that is easily settled. Mine is 28.8 cm diameter and the height is 6 cm.  The small one is diameter 15.9, height 6.5 cm.
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: langhaugh on November 13, 2012, 11:11:11 PM
That would settle it for me. It's Orrefors. Sorry to take so long to agree with you, Ivo.

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: valjk on November 14, 2012, 09:56:49 PM
Orrefors does seem the best bet, although I haven't yet found a large bowl made in coloured glass, and the bases of the Orrefors seem to be much flatter, without the rather rough grinding of the base of the lobes.  If the basic shape was made over a long period of time, maybe they perfected the process.  I have found a clear bowl the same width as mine, 27cm, but shallower at 6cm, mine is 7cm:

http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/57529080/VINTAGE_ORREFORS_CLEAR_CRYSTAL_DISH_CENTREPIECE_ACID_MARKED_ORREFORS_HU_1598_5.html

The base looks quite different from mine, but the profile is almost identical.  I've also found a piece of Orrefors in a similar colour, although a very different object (you have to scroll down a long way to see the Orrefors apple):

http://hisforhome.wordpress.com/2008/03/

It looks like my bowl might be a scarce survivor, or perhaps not many were made in the first place!  If you threw one of these in a family row it would certainly make a satisfying crash, but lots of broken glass to clear up afterwards . . .

Many thanks for all the input,

Valerie
Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: langhaugh on November 15, 2012, 03:00:28 AM
Valerie.

The shape and the size are exactly right for Orrefors HU 1598/5 as I've seen the photographs of the bowl in Orrefors advertising material.  The bowl was the fifth (hence /5) of a series or different shaped items with the six lobes being the common denominator.  It was only the colour I hadn't seen before.

If Ivo says he believes they have been in production for a long time, I believe him. He is extremely knowledgeable and reliable.

Please don't throw it...

David

Title: Re: Heavy glass bowl, six-lobed, ID please
Post by: valjk on November 20, 2012, 02:35:36 PM
Thank you, David, I will regard this as Orrefors HU 1598/5, and do the occasional Google search in the hope of coming across another coloured one.  Don't worry, I won't throw it, I was just wondering, mine can't be the only one they made in green over the years, what has happened to all the others?

Thanks to all,

Valerie