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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Tubitha on May 09, 2004, 07:15:51 PM
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Can anyone out there help us to identify a piece of glass we have just purchased a lamp base.
The base is dark green shading to lilac in a lattice work effect with silver foil inclusions and applied amber decoration.
Suggestions so far have been Murano or Nazeing but we have never seen anything like it.
Picture available if someone can help.
Tubitha
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Can anyone out there help us to identify a piece of glass we have just purchased a lamp base.
The base is dark green shading to lilac in a lattice work effect with silver foil inclusions and applied amber decoration.
Suggestions so far have been Murano or Nazeing but we have never seen anything like it.
Picture available if someone can help.
Tubitha
Pictures can be found at
http://www.scotglass.com/Features.asp
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First came across these in the eighties and they were usually offered as Monart which is clearly wrong.
I ashow a lamp and a vase in this glass at http://www.ysartglass.com/NotYsart.htm
For a long time the assumption was Bohemian but a couple of years ago I was told that an American company "Union Glass Company" so far their has been no further corroboration. There does not seem to be that many designs.
Christies, South Kensington, are selling a vase in their auction on 11 May, listed as Monart in Lot 6.
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Thanks for the information.
I have tried to research the Union Glass Co. but with little success and can only find references to Kew Blas glass and Quezal associated with this company and this vase is clearly neither.
Not sure where to go from here. I looked at the piece marked Monart in the Christies sale and I have to agree it looks rather similar!
Any further informatin would be welcome.
Tubitha
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Hi Frank
I have been in touch through the internet with a company in Italy who deal in antique Murano and modern Murano glass. They are convinced that this is Murano but the question for them was is it old or modern.
If 1935-40 the makers could be Barovier & Toso, or Fratelli Toso, or Seguso Vetri d'Arte and if a modern copy they could not be sure who would have made it.
I asked the dealers who sold it to me about it and it turns out that they had replaced the fitting on the lampbase as it was a bit shabby and taken off the chrome on the neck of the base to match the new brass fitting and rewired it to comply with todays standards.
It looks like it is 1935-40 as I can see a bit of chrome on the neck where they didn't want to go too close to the glass.
Anyway thought it might be useful for you to know my findings.
Carol
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Aaarrgghhh, why do people do things like that! At least keep the original bits with the lamp. With a little effort and imagination it is possible to replace fittings with appropriate appearance items. I used to do this when I dealt in early electric lighting. It is usually possible to convert pre 1940 brass fittings to meet legal requirements.
I have had these lamp bases in the past and 1930's-50's is definitely the right period. Ditto with the wear on the vases.
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Exactly anyway they still have the original chrome fitting so I have asked them to give it to me the next time we meet.
Shame though as you say why do people do these things! Lack of understanding of what collectors value I think, they just wanted to make it look better to sell it.
Not sure how I might go about having it restored to it's original condition but I can see if it 's possible when I get the fittings. Not knowing anything about electrical wiring I would really need to get someone in Scotland to do it for me.
Carol
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Tubitha
Any developments ?
Do you still habve a pic ?
Frank
Your link is no longer working
Is this the lamp you refer to ?
http://www.ysartglass.com/Otherglass/Images/AmericanUnion.jpg
on page
http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/NotYsart.htm ?
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Yes,url corrected.
These still turn up regularly, lampbases and vases.
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I have really got no further with the lampbase in question and in fact now have 2 which may well be from the same maker. They are different but seem to have some similar characteristics.
I will attempt to post pictures of both for you once I have taken them neither are exactly the same as the one which Frank has a picture of but both are lovely when lit up as lampbases.
Cheers Carol
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http://tinypic.com/hvayyw.jpg
http://tinypic.com/hvazh0.jpg
Hope these are ok
Carol
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Yup, same maker. Obviously quite prolific I am sure we will get these ID's one day.
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I came across this searching for something else. I think the lamp referred to here is probably the same maker as the Czech glass one with the mica - just thought I'd add this for future reference.
Sorry I can't find the link now to the other thread with the one with the label but if I do I will add it.
m
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All the pics seem to have vanished!
I have a couple of a lamp base which I am sure is the correct design and the same Czech maker.
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thanks Sue :)
Frank if you read this could you upload the purple lamp on the Ysart site directly to the board if and when you have time please? It's the same decor but a different colour and shape to Sue's.
I'll try and find the thread with the labelled one to link to.
m
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Nazeing Glass did make some lamp bases circa 1935-1942 and we have some examples in our Museum. We alos made some attractive latticino in green , blue and in white, I would need to see a photo to say whether they might be Nazeing though.
The really heavy ones are pear shaped bubble and white and coloured glass and we have three of those in blue, green, and red streaks.Co-incidentally i spent the weekend re-wiring them so they meet the modern PAT test (Portable Appliance Test) so that we can use them!.