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Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 09, 2005, 07:08:34 PM
...are far far too many to list completely. Been a busy bunny today.

So I'll stick with jugs (my latest cheap-buy fad) I can't seem to identify after a quick wander around Google...

(http://tinypic.com/egbxxj.jpg)
(http://tinypic.com/egby2x.jpg)
(http://tinypic.com/eh0sc1.jpg)

And a pretty Tamara Aladin Kleopatra vase that I knew what it was when I stumbled onto it for only £4!  At least I hope that's what it is... I'm quite consistently wrong. :D

(http://tinypic.com/eh11kx.jpg)

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Anyone any idea on the jugs?
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Tigerchips on October 09, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
That yellow one with the low handle looks like Whitefriars.  :)

Martin Miller's Antique's Source Book 2002/2003
picture deleted for copyright

Decription
Martini Jug by Baxter
circa 1962
Whitefriars kingfisher-blue Martini jug with clear handle. A Whitefriars studio range by Peter Wheeler.
height 36cm
£95

Ignore the price, I think this book is way over the top.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 09, 2005, 07:29:27 PM
I thought it *might* be, but I'm wrong more often than not when I think that! I hadn't got around to flicking through the catalogues yet just to double check. It's a big 'un - about 35cm tall.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 09, 2005, 07:41:43 PM
That indeed looks like the fellow! £4.30 well spent!

Although I would have been pleased with it either way - it's a very nice jug and I've not turned into a glass-snob... yet! Maybe when I start running out of room, perhaps.  :D

Thanks for the information.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Tigerchips on October 09, 2005, 07:45:07 PM
Your kleopatra jug is on the link inside this link.  :)

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2512.0.html
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 09, 2005, 07:52:12 PM
Ah, so that's where I saw the vase originally. It was because of that thread that I knew the vase I stumbled across was Kleopatra - or at least looked very similar. But when I got home I couldn't for the life of me recall if it was on here or elsewhere that the link was.

Again, many thanks! You're a star.

Okay, forgive me if this comes across as a little dense... but what's the difference between a Whitefriars' studio range and the pieces that appeared in the trade catalogues? I'm not really a Whitefriars buff, and it was a completely accidental purchase - fortuitously so.  :)
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Anne on October 09, 2005, 10:24:56 PM
I wondered that as well so thanks for asking the question.

And about the Wuidart/Wealdstone range - are they not catalogued either?
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 03:26:21 PM
I've had a friend suggest that the hooped/ribbed jugs may be Royal Doulton, as her grandmother has some glassware in a very similar style by them. I have no idea how likely this is...  :?
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: vidfletch on October 10, 2005, 05:49:35 PM
The Amber one in the third photo is not Whitefriars I am afraid. These are modern and Polish. I have had a Kingfisher Blue one with a Made in Poland label on it! Additionally if you look through the catalogues on whitefriars.com and whitefriars.org you won't see this one.

There are a lot of modern polish jugs "in the style of " Whitefriars out there. I see them every weekend too! Bear in mind that a lot of the Scandinavian companies made very similar styles of jugs. They were the big thing in the fifities and sixties obviously. The East Europeans have cottoned on to the fact they are popular again.

All nice jugs though none the less!

Vidfletch :(  :D
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 06:20:12 PM
Actually, I'd be kind of glad if it wasn't. I bought it as a practical piece of glassware, and I'd be less inclined to use it if I thought it had any kind of value to it.

So was Miller's wrong, then, or is this jug just very very similar to a Whitefriars Studio piece?

Although I'm not 100% sure that the jug was made yesterday, though, as there's a fair bit of wear to the base and it doesn't look like the result of a sandpaper attack.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Tigerchips on October 10, 2005, 06:28:00 PM
Not all of the catalogue's are completed on Whitefriars.com so perhaps it is in one of those. I have noticed that the base on the Millers jug appears to be wider at the bottom.  :?  :)
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 06:43:08 PM
I'm sure someone with an encyclopædic knowledge of Whitefriars will come along and set everything straight.  :D

Although I've just compared my jug and the Miller's one at the same angle as in the book's photograph and the bases seem to have the same proportions - but the handles are slightly different at the bottom, as best as I can make out, anyway. But only slightly.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: vidfletch on October 10, 2005, 06:51:44 PM
Studio glass (correct me if I am wrong!) is generally classed as glass designed and made by one person or small group of people. It tends to be low volume high price pieces. A lot of companies went bust during the sixties and seventies and the workers and newly graduated designers etc. set up themselves in business. All these small "studios" produced exclusive pieces to pay the bills! They didn't necessarily have the capacity to do high volume production runs.

Larger companies still in existence cottoned on to this by introducing limited edition or expensive pieces. Whitefriars introduced their STUDIO range in 1969 in a seperate leaflet. Geoffrey Baxters assistant Peter Wheeler designed a new range of glass in new shapes but combining colours and elements from the existing range. He worked with the glassblowers to come up with the range after some trial and error. They were discontinued sometime in 1970. Maybe too expensive? They are certainly expensive to buy now and are some of the very few Whitefriars items that are actually marked on the base. They have Pattern Number S1 to S15 and if I remember correctly sometimes have "Peter Wheeler" marked on them. A label with the colourway title is on a few too.

In 1978 Whitefriars brought out another limited range of glass imaginatively titled "New Studio" range! These are seldom seen and not as unique in the same way the first range was.

The jug in Martin Millers book maybe a one off, experimental or prototype vase, blah blah (What isn't these days?!?!). Equally it may be complete nonsense. I see it was shown by the "Country Seat" who do have unusual Whitefriars pieces for sale with regularity. I don't own the book but I can just about see it has trails of glass or stripes on it. It doesn't really look like the first Studio range or second to me. There are very similar vases to the Studio ones out there too. Jug shape doesn't look right either. No doubt someone will confirm either way.

Vidfletch :D
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Tigerchips on October 10, 2005, 07:20:46 PM
They are not stripes or trails, it is just the reflection of light.  :)

It does seem a bit strange that the book doesn't mention the studio number because there is a Whitefriars studio piece on another page and it's got a number.  :?
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 07:21:34 PM
Well I'm a graphic designer by trade, so I've a reasonable eye for proportions - and the book jug has near-exactly the same shape, except it seems a little wider around the middle and has a slightly more cursive flare at the base.

It's a pretty well-made jug, but I'm not sure the top-quality (or flair of design) is really there for it to be warranted as a studio design, unfortunately. But conversely, it doesn't feel new - so may a piece contemporary to and derivative of the Whitefriars jug in the book, if indeed that's what it is.

T'is a quandry.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 07:24:21 PM
Maybe this will be the first ever genuine cheap glass turned "Super-Rare Whitefriars - WOW" that eBay has so so many of...  :D

But I doubt it.  :wink:
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: vidfletch on October 10, 2005, 07:47:59 PM
Look at this link to see why the jugs are not "Studio" pieces.

http://www.whitefriarsorg.org/a2-information/a2l-studio/studio.htm

They have no decoration. Equally all the Martini mixer jugs remotely like this shape were well out of production by 1969 and the introduction of the first Studio range. Same applies to the 1978 range.

Now the whitefriars.com site may not have all the catalogues, this is true. I have access to catalogues from 1931 to 1980, the Wendy Evans Whitefriars book and the Lesley Jackson one. These jugs are not in them.

The colours also discount them. Amber lasted at the latest until 1962 and no jugs were in Amber like this. The Kingfisher one can't be right either. Kingfisher Blue came in 1968 and all the Martini mixer jugs were gone as I have said before.

Do you the anser is no? LOL!!!

Vidfletch :D  :)  :o  :lol:
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 08:14:44 PM
Ah well, it was a fun and informative mystery whilst it lasted! Thanks for all of the very detailed information.  :D

I quite like the concertina ones too - I found them on two separate 'boot stalls, oddly enough. It seems that anyone and everyone is in a rush to sell off their 1960's-70's glassware at these things. I ended up with no less than 16 new pieces... including three poor abandoned Dansk candlestick holders that someone had left in a box of tatt when they packed up early. Aw. Though I'm sure some folk would consider a box of tatt the best place for them...  :D

I may get around to throwing on some of the other curious pieces I bought to see if anyone knows anything of them.  :)
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: vidfletch on October 10, 2005, 08:28:42 PM
Whitefriars Jugs are a nightmare. Well not true, other companies jugs are the nightmare! LOL!!!

I know what you mean about all the cheap seventies type stuff. It applies to quite modern eighties items as well. I picked up two boxed sets of plates and bowls by NUUTAJARVI NOTSJO of Finland at the weekend. Cost peanuts and everything labelled! Isn't it great! LOL!!!


Vidfletch :D
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 09:02:02 PM
Three more Sunday-acquired bits & bobs...

(http://tinypic.com/eheskz.jpg)

The vase on the left is more amethyst at the base than... whatever colour it looks like in the photograph... Muddy brown? It just needs a good clean, I think. And the yellowy background doesn't help.

The vase on the right has a very fluid curved organic rim thing going on... Gah - I really should learn some proper terminology.  :lol: Actually, I'm a bit miffed with it, as I noticed a dirty great crack in the glass when I got home and removed the big price sticker that was covering it.  :evil:
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 09:16:03 PM
Indeed. I am very grateful for all the information I've received in this thread, and from all of the other kind and knowledgable people who use this site who've offered help and information over the last few weeks since I joined up.

Makes me feel downright amateurish sometimes.  Well, I say sometimes... I mean all the time! :oops:  :lol:

But I'm learning...
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2005, 09:40:00 PM
Pinkspoons, the vase on the left is a Caithness vase.

Vidfletch :D
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 09:44:43 PM
My suspicions were that it could very well be Caithness - I've two similar ones (but not the same!) with labels.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 09:53:21 PM
I bought a near-identical vase from the same fellow, but in sea-green. I'm not so sure about the Caithness-ness of this one, though. I'll have to take a snap of it at some point.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Tigerchips on October 10, 2005, 10:16:08 PM
Is that a dark green candle holder? The bit where it goes up like that is similar to Wedgwood candle holders.  :)
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 10, 2005, 11:01:55 PM
T'is a candle holder. Was from the same stall I bought the Kleopatra from. £5.50 for the two items.

She had some Holmegaard too - but looks like she'd read up on it and wanted waaaay too much. £55 for an ashtray? I think not.  :shock:

Quote from: "Pinkspoons"
I bought a near-identical vase from the same fellow, but in sea-green. I'm not so sure about the Caithness-ness of this one, though.


It is Caithness after all - I found a labelled one on eBay identical (except the online was is engraved).

Actually, I've found three of the Caithness vases and bowls I own on eBay all with engraving, yet mine have none. I'm kind of glad about this, as I'm not too keen on most engraved glass - especially when it's particularly twee subject matter (flowers, dolphins, etc).
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Tigerchips on October 11, 2005, 04:26:42 PM
Dolphins, you mean like this one?
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/normal_Picture%20643.jpg

I think it is designed by Domhnall O'Broin.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 11, 2005, 04:55:24 PM
Aye, that's one of the bowls I have. Except mine's in Amethyst - but then half my glass seems to be in amethyst! Quite accidentally.

They are nicely designed and engraved, these Caithness pieces, but they're just not my cup of char.
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Tigerchips on October 11, 2005, 08:14:57 PM
I've got a nice amethyst one, quite unusual for Caithness but it has a frosted stamp on the base so definetly is.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/normal_Picture%20476.jpg
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Glassyone on October 12, 2005, 12:09:56 AM
Pinkspoons, this is my jug that sits by the sink with flowers in. It's perfect for that except getting it clean after each time. Sorry about the awful photo, this is quick light relief in between varnishing. It is 37cms at the highest point and I think it is Polish.
I so envy you the boot sales. I miss them dreadfully. Some how 'garage sales' are not quite the same.

http://tinypic.com/ei6qfc.jpg
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 12, 2005, 12:14:48 AM
Gosh, now that looks familiar! The spout is a little different, but it's essentially the same.  :)

I've already realised what a pain it is to clean - I've had to be inventive with a cleaning rag and a stick. Still, it's a dream compared to cleaning the Kleopatra vase which had a bit of limescale in the bottom.
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 12, 2005, 12:26:59 AM
These are my recent amethyst purchases. The three at the front, left to right, are Caithness - as you can probably see - and the rest are cheap 'n' cheerful mystery vases that mostly took my fancy for around 50p each.  :lol:

(http://tinypic.com/ei6xdu.jpg)
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Max on October 12, 2005, 08:04:59 AM
Is that a Caithness Glass sticker I see?  I'm not sure if I'd want quite all those vases  :twisted: but the one with the sticker is very useful for reference.  :D  :D
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Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2005, 08:33:06 AM
I live about 1/2 an hour from the Caithness factory shop in Perth, Scotland. In the shop they have all the standard range of glass, most of which, are actually all seconds. There is nothing really wrong with them but they have all the perfect bits for sale at a premium. There are also some very expensive limited pieces for sale. Some of these are absolutely stunning and way beyond what they normally sell.

Most of the Caithness glass at boot sales and on Ebay is from the seventies and eighties when they were more succesful than they are now. Now owned by Edinburgh Crystal, themselves far from profitable, things don't seem to have changed much. The factory shop is full of display only pieces. If it was me they would be on display and on sale!

I am not a great fan of paperweights. Caithness are obviously well known for them and I have to say the display of paperweights contains some stunning pieces of glass.

Vidfletch :D
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 12, 2005, 08:50:09 AM
The bowl has a newer transparent sticker on it (visible if you look closely), and the vase next to it has a 60's / 70's (?) paper sticker. Unfortunately it has 3 teeny-tiny fleabites to the inside rim... but I can't complain too much for 60p.

It's a shame that a lot of older Caithness hasn't really increased in value, as some of it is really quite nice. I suppose it's bogged down by an awful lot of relatively plain glass, though... kinda like my pieces!  :oops:   :lol:
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Anne on October 12, 2005, 11:35:22 AM
My sole piece of Caithness is this scent bottle http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-879 in which I just love the heathery colours. It has a small circular plastic label on the base.

Correction, it's an oblong label when I checked. No idea why I thought it was circular!   ::)
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 12, 2005, 03:00:27 PM
That's very nice. And again, not a shape I'd readily associate with Caithness. I'm really just used to their more restrained designs.

I'll have to keep my minces peeled for some of their more adventurous offerings.
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Post by: David555 on October 15, 2005, 02:44:15 AM
Hi Pinkspoons

Good to meet you

I love your pink and ruby Caithness

I think they are all mostly Caithness - the bulbous bits at the back are lamp bases by Domhnall O'Broin c 1967 I think - the CC is a nice old 1960s label (yum) - there is a fruit bowl by O'Broin (I think that's a modern label though) - the tall cylinder vase is Caithness and not often seen, your other various vases all look like O'Broin designs as well, except for the thick walled vase that intensifies in colour as it gets towards the top, I have a sneaking suspicion that is Wedgwood Stennett-Willson - studio range 'Rose' 1970 - I may be wrong as I can't see if it is striated enough, is that a Caithness sticker on it's side? if it is it is really interesting in that thick walled glass

Regards


Adam D555 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 15, 2005, 08:48:19 AM
Hello.

Very nice to meet you too. I never thought I'd get my purple glass ID'ed!  :D

I just assumed that it would all be just generic stuff - but I bought it because I liked it. Which is probably the best way.

The thick-walled vase doesn't have a CG sticker on it - no markings whatsoever, unfortunately.  :(  It's interesting that you think it may be Stennett-Willson, though. I'll take a closer photograph when I wake up properly!  :lol:
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 15, 2005, 09:01:23 AM
Ah, I already had a photo saved.  :) Though it was taken before I cleaned it up.  :oops:

Any info would be great.

(http://tinypic.com/ekkxgw.jpg)
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Post by: vidfletch on October 15, 2005, 09:51:23 AM
The Caithness Factory shop in Perth is having a HUGE clearance sale this weekend. Just heard it on the local radio. They must be getting the Christmas stock ready. Worth a visit if you are in Scotland.

Vidfletch :D
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 15, 2005, 10:48:34 AM
Does anybody know if you can still buy the light fittings for glass lamp bases? I've got one I found lurking in the attic, but it's a bit past it. Can't seem to find any on eBay.  :?

It'd be nice to reinstate the 4 bulbous Caithness as lamps, rather than vases.
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Post by: taylog1 on October 15, 2005, 11:56:33 AM
My wife bought me this as a wedding present, normally I don't like Caithness but this I think is v nice.

Red glass on white and then clear.
The poppies are cut through cameo style.

(http://tinypic.com/ekm6tc.jpg)

Taylog1
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 15, 2005, 12:20:11 PM
That's very bold. I do quite like it.  :)
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 16, 2005, 06:22:46 PM
All I found this week was a companion piece for my "Whitefriars" conundrum, although it's slightly different and I suspect this one is newer (but still with *some* age to it, judging by the amount of dead spiders I shook out of it after I handed over my £1 coin). And the woman who sold it to me said she'd had it for 20-ish years and I couldn't see much reason for her to lie after I'd already paid for it.

(http://tinypic.com/epi0dc.jpg)

(The new one is the smoked glass one on the right)

Someone did have a nice wee pink Kosta vase, but it was scratched to high hell and they still wanted £20 for it. I wasn't convinced.
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Post by: David555 on October 16, 2005, 08:36:18 PM
Pinkspoons - best place to get old light fittings is a reclamation yard / architectural salvage - they have boxes full of them cheap - get one that does all the fixtures and fittings for antiques

Your vase is beautiful and it looks like W/F now, but with that rim it can't be, Caithness usually ground all their top rims down, especially O'Broin designs - but the heather / purple colour makes me think this is Caithness and of great beauty and one I don't know - I am feeling my way here

Colin Terris is on this board - he is really good at the hollowware as well as the paperweights - if you can't get him on the board email him http://glassmaker.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - let him see all your bits, he is such a nice guy and gets so interested in old bits from the past, he always gets back to you

Adam D555 :twisted:  :twisted:

I think 1960s / 70s Caithness vases and bowls are so overlooked in favour of the paperweights, that should change soon
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 16, 2005, 09:12:02 PM
Hi.

Thanks for the heads up with regards the lighting and the vase. I'll see if I can track Colin Terris down and get my vase ID'ed.

It's a sad shame with it, though... I didn't notice until I got the vase home and removed the oversized price sticker that there's a dirty great 1" crack in the vase (conveniently where the sticker was  :evil: ). It's in the centre of the glass, though, as it doesn't break the surface on either side (which was why I didn't spot it from behind the price sticker). Most odd. I wouldn't have minded if it was a cheap 50p thing, but I paid more than I usually would at a carboot.  :?
Title: This week's carboot finds... Riihimaen, Whitefriars(?)...
Post by: JumpinJackFlash... on October 16, 2005, 10:01:56 PM
Here's the 1964 Catalogue picture of the Whitefriars 'Martini Jug' c/w stirrer. I'm not saying that Miller's have made a mistake, but to what extent to they rely upon the dealers & traders themselves when asking for attributions....

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7825/martini010sx.th.jpg) (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=martini010sx.jpg)

And at the rate they're published, can every single piece be chcked for accuracy before it goes out?
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 17, 2005, 06:32:07 AM
It's curious, though, because Country Seat seem to pretty much specialise in Whitefriars - so you'd think they'd know a Whitefriars from an inexpensive Scandinavian / Polish jug. Makes you wonder who got it wrong, them or Millers?
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Post by: aa on October 17, 2005, 08:18:24 AM
Quote from: "vidfletch"
The Amber one in the third photo is not Whitefriars I am afraid. These are modern and Polish....
There are a lot of modern polish jugs "in the style of " Whitefriars out there. I see them every weekend too! Bear in mind that a lot of the Scandinavian companies made very similar styles of jugs. They were the big thing in the fifities and sixties obviously. The East Europeans have cottoned on to the fact they are popular again.

All nice jugs though none the less!

Vidfletch :(  :D


Jaffe Rose were importing these from Krosno throughout the seventies in various different colours...amber, turquoise, smokey brown, smokey grey, sapphire, emerald, amethyst. We used to sell them in our shop in Highgate. I agree with vidfletch.
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 18, 2005, 08:58:24 AM
Thanks for the info. It was never really the country of origin I was disagreeing with (I confess that I don't know enough about glass yet to be able to do that), it was the age I wasn't so sure about - I pretty much knew that they weren't new, but yeah, I could go with the 1970's.  :)

Ta.
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Post by: Pinkspoons on October 18, 2005, 02:27:33 PM
The conical jug I listed on here...

(http://tinypic.com/egbxxj.jpg)

...a wee while ago may be Holmegaard, as I've seen a picture of one for sale very very similar, and with an original label on it. I shall have to buy it so I can put them side by side. At least this is my excuse! :oops:
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Post by: Ivo on November 04, 2005, 02:55:58 PM
Quote from: "Pinkspoons"
It's curious, though, because Country Seat seem to pretty much specialise in Whitefriars - so you'd think they'd know a Whitefriars from an inexpensive Scandinavian / Polish jug.


@ Pinkspoons: if you offset whitefriar's against inexpensive, what does it mean?  Whitefriar's became expensive only in recent years - after they closed down.
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Post by: Pinkspoons on November 04, 2005, 03:14:06 PM
I meant inexpensive in today's market, where these jugs can be easily picked up between £1-£10. Whitefriars, by and large, can only be obtained for that kind of money if the seller doesn't know what they're selling.

Although as I understand it (code for: 'I'm probably wrong, but...'), Whitefriars 'studio' pieces were expensive when first issued and these Scandi-style jugs, if they're quite commonplace now must have been even more so 30-50 years ago, and so quite possibly would have been retailed relatively cheaply (relative to Whitefriars' studio range, anyway).
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Post by: Frank on November 04, 2005, 06:36:21 PM
Vidfletch gives a reasonable description of Studio glass. But it can be defined slightly more clearl as glass made in a studio by a glass artist with a relatively small gas or electric kiln.

Unfortunately the term is used to add prestige by larger glass manufacturers - who are in effect trying to attach the kudos of 'Art' to the creaftsmen produced glass.

Even worse it is often applied by Auction houses to anything that they think it will increase the bids on.

Of course the word has a broad definition in itself and we cannot expect it to be applied narrowly. Such is life.

Personally, for the above reasons, I consider its use to be meaningless today.
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Post by: vidfletch on November 04, 2005, 10:26:54 PM
In 1969 a Whitefriars waisted vase Pattern 9682, one of the biggest items they did, sold for 111 shillings. Not a "Studio" piece.

That roughly equates to £60 today. Now considering its size thats quite good but I wonder how many people of average wage would consider paying that for a new vase today. Bearing in mind they did not have the popularity or fame they do now.

To further confuse matters I just sold one of those vases for just over £600!!! LOL!!!

Either way I think that then as now there are Whitefriars items for little money and some for lots of money.

Vidfletch