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Title: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 10, 2008, 04:36:29 PM
I was given this vase several years ago and have tried on and off to identify it since. I cannot read the signature except to say it appears to have an Umlaut in it. Any help will be appreciated. - Sarah
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 10, 2008, 06:30:38 PM
Sarah please, a close up of signature could be helpful  :D
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 10, 2008, 06:56:19 PM
I am having trouble getting closer with out blur. Is this better?
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 10, 2008, 07:17:39 PM
This is much better Sarah, but I cannot help, I'm afraid  :-X good luck!
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 10, 2008, 07:21:45 PM
I appreciate you looking Pamela! I am beginning to think it is not a word at all lol. I wonder if it ever happens that a family puts their own name on glass. My grandfather went through a phase where he engraved everything they owned in case of theft.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 10, 2008, 07:35:37 PM
Sarah, which was his name then? Could we identify it by that?
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 10, 2008, 07:42:38 PM
splendid idea -Sarah! why not do so with all of my glasses . my insurance co would welcome that , but i decline  :angel:
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 10, 2008, 07:50:53 PM
I was only joking about putting family names on glass ;D This vase didn't come from my grandfather. He did go on an engraving craze though, putting his name and address on all of his electronics.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 11, 2008, 08:39:04 AM
? Günter ? Günther ? Going to have a look into Carolus Hartmann's
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 11, 2008, 05:45:24 PM
I have been looking for images of Günter or Günther, but I haven't found anything so far. :'(

I keep thinking if I stare at the signature long enough I will finally be able to read it.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 11, 2008, 06:20:22 PM
Hartmann gives not a real answer, however, there were several Günther's reported... Frank?
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: Frank on April 11, 2008, 07:53:06 PM
Nothing I can see.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 11, 2008, 08:12:59 PM
Frank, thank you!
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 11, 2008, 08:15:03 PM
I found one günther but I don't think it is a match, darn. :cry:
Pamela & Frank - Thank you both so much for your help. I am still hopeful!
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 12, 2008, 12:11:32 PM
I've been looking in the Glasmarken Lexikon most of the night and I can't find it. I think the problem may be how little I know about glass. I guess I had better go back to the library. If my research won't work are there any other options that aren't expensive to have it identified?
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 12, 2008, 05:17:05 PM
Sarah, if not here... I do not know of another board of wider knowledge in glass and people prepared to share their knowledge!
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 12, 2008, 05:55:44 PM
I do think this board is the best, I was just thinking that maybe I could take it to an appraiser. Do they do identifications though? Even if they do they probably charge a lot for it.  I am still hoping that someone on this board recognizes the vase or signature.  When you look at the word what does it look like to you? The first letter looks like an "S" or an "L" to me. Thanks again Pamela!
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: pamela on April 12, 2008, 07:29:46 PM
Thank you Sarah for your lovely replies and inputs!
I would say still: Gün....
Good luck further on your investigastions on this!
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: Frank on April 12, 2008, 07:43:00 PM
2 days is not long, only a handful of members have passed through, some questions have been resolved after several years. We never give up.  ;)

I still have several German Trade directories to add to the Glass-Study, one of those might have a result for you.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 12, 2008, 07:54:27 PM
Thanks! I will keep looking and try to be more patient :hiclp:
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 12, 2008, 08:12:07 PM
 :chky:
okay, I now know that it has hobstars and pinwheels and diamond cut. Here are a few more shots.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: Chris Harrison on April 14, 2008, 12:32:51 AM
Pardon my iggerance.
How about Stuart, pre the introduction of the acid-etched signature in the mid 1920s?
Kny was cutting for them German-style before then, and the signature looks like Stuart if you ignore the umlaut.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 25, 2008, 07:52:03 PM
Chris - I have been out of town for a couple of with with no internet :P so, sorry for the late reply!
The signature does look like it could be Stuart! Thank you! I will keep looking with this in mind.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: krsilber on April 26, 2008, 05:39:40 AM
Great stem and foot!  Interesting, very nicely cut piece.

Hmmm, is this another case of different US/UK terminology?  I don't seen any of what we call hobstars.  And I've been wanting to ask about what you all think of as a pinwheel, too.  In the US, the first motif shown below is a hobstar, and the second a pinwheel.  I believe I've seen the first one called a pinwheel by the British, though.  US Hobstars have many deep cuts between the points of the star, creating facets on the "hob" in the middle (the photo makes it look sunken, but it's actually raised).  There are as many facets on the hob as there are points in the star.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 26, 2008, 01:06:32 PM
karen -
    Thank you for the info! I really don't know what I am doing and I guess it is obvious! :chky: I am still a little confused about hobstar and pinwheels though. I am reposting some of my pictures on this page so I can compare them with the ones you posted. I understand about the raised hob, but why aren't these pinwheels? I am so lost.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: krsilber on April 26, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
Your top photo is, by the US definition, a pinwheel.  Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you weren't right about that.  The other major motif on your piece (shown in the other two photos) is called a flat star.
Title: Re: Large Vase German??? Signed with Umlaut 16"ish
Post by: sarahanddaniel on April 26, 2008, 08:22:09 PM
Oh! Thank you! Okay so I what I know about it is that it has pinwheels and flat stars and diamond cut. I have looked at hundreds of signatures now and I cannot find one that looks like the one on my vase.