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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: David555 on August 29, 2005, 01:00:00 AM
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Here are ten items from my collection - Sommerso (my passion) - bottles at the back, faceted oblong vases, and a fly topped piece - at the front two faceted bowls with texture underneath - so anyone got any ideas?
I know the fat faceted red is Murano as it has a label
http://tinypic.com/bdlht2.jpg
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The two textured ones at the front could be Campanella - although Is It Whitefriars has one pegged as 'American Art Glass' - not sure where they got that from...
All the rest are of course by 'Flavio Poli' :D If you believe the Ebay listings. :wink: :roll: :D
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Hello David555 and Max,
I think this was mentioned before on here, but this "Poli" pieces that are all over Ebay are being manufactured right now. I have seen all those shapes at the shopping mall myself, even the flared cut vase and the textured pieces. Of course thay are at a high end glass store, but they are there.
I really dont know David555, if the pieces are new or old, but I would agree with Max in being careful about attibuting them as old Flavio Poli pieces.
Hope this helps you understand what is going on in the market right now. Sorry I cant be of more help.
Javier
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All the items are 1960s, I have had them for about ten years and picked them up from a house clearance - all 60s stuff ceramics and lighting - so I know they are good to date -LOL ref Flavio Poli - I never attribute without good ref or a signature or label - there are two bits not from the house clearance, the large red bit and one of the textured bowls - the red sommerso has a worn label (yes I know it's generic, but it has that age ware to it) - the textured bowl is in keeping with the other - I have similar bowls from my parents they bought in 60s - so I am at least 100% sure of a 60s - 70s age, do not think are Poli (I never mentioned this) - I was wondering if anyone could ID the Items - to help I will show some individual pics - as below - but in the end, I like them :D
http://tinypic.com/beh30x.jpg
http://tinypic.com/beh374.jpg
http://tinypic.com/beh3de.jpg
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Goodness, I'm posting a lot today..could it be I'm bored and upset I've missed Woking?? :cry:
Here's some Campanella:
http://tinypic.com/behg10.jpg
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Hi David555,
I mentioned "Poli" and so did Max, because that is the reference used on Ebay for anything in the Sommerso style these days. I didnt mean to imply you had said so.
Javier
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No offence Svasso - I agree too many peeps including the Miller books misattribute :shock:
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I know the fat faceted red is Murano as it has a label
I don't think there's any doubt that they are all Murano, altho where the "new" ones are produced exactly I wouldn't like to hazard.
Going by the colorways they seem right for vintage in the main, the green/yellow, red/yellow and lillac+ all look like vintage colors. I have my doubts though on the turqoise and yellow flat beaked piece and the amber and green block vases. Those 3 look newer to me but could be that I have just not seen them before.
Having said this, another very experienced member here said that on a trip to Rome he was shocked to see such large shop displays of these styles and would have difficulty distinguishing between new from old.
As to the Campanella, 9 pieces of this range are shown in Italian Glass Century 20 by Pina, but not this shape. From what I can tell the texturing looks exactly the same as those but I have seen at least one bearing a Mazzega label........ !
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Thanks Paradisetrader - I think the beaked bottle could be 80s 90s but I think the two block vases you mention are 60s, 70s - I was in Milan recently (I am in the furniture trade) and took a trip to Venice - I did not get over to the island but saw many of these smaller vases single colour with old worn labels (I forgot my camera) - they were mostly generic Murano but in antique shops as old, and had that feel - I am going back in a few months time - I will do more research there
I love buying Carlo Moretti in a shop in Central Station Milan, the owner gives me such good discounts
I have never seen a Campanella piece in the textured bowl style - they are all sharp angular or curved flat fronted vases with textured sides - Mazzega interests me and I will look into it, but who knows what people stick on to sell items
like here is a picture - architectural in Scanda style but has a 'Made in Italy' label on it - is it genuine, what do you think?
http://tinypic.com/bg4q2o.jpg
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You must have seen the megaton of panel cut somersos in the tourist shops then.
the purple one in http://tinypic.com/beh30x.jpg I have in green/amber - same colour setup as your beaked somerso jug, and it has a rectangular foil label that says:
HANDWORKED GLASS
HANDGE ARBEITETE
GLASER
made in murano Italy
I think you can be fairly sure these panel cut pieces are all made en masse in Murano.
As for your blue http://tinypic.com/bg4q2o.jpg with a "made in Italy" label, I think you'd be looking at Empoli, not Murano - perhaps IVV or VB
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I have indeed as said seen the myriad of new facet cut vases in shops (Venice) and Milan - none of them are cheap, especially if they have a maker's label (Nason, Moretti) and not just a round, triangular or square 'Made in Murano' sticker
We must remember that what they do now is as skilled as back in the 60s, yet now as then the objects can remain anonymous because so many companies rarely signed the base and only put then as now a generic red export sticker on
I was in Costco the other day and saw Murano vases some were faceted some not, they all just had a gilt and red 'Made in Murano' sticker' on - the prices were £100 - £200 and that's in a wholesalers - there was no extra information I checked - some did have info on the boxes - so I take your point and will also say that it is as hard to ID and age the generic facet/panel cut vase now as it was back in the 50s, 60s (not disregarding extra stickers or boxes of that time) - all the items I show have ware and were very dirty with 'bloom' but that can happen in 10 years ?
All that remains is to say I like them and I guess with the new ones being pricey - if not a lot is paid (the Nason cost me £7.00 on eBay) - it's worth taking a dip as it were
Thanks for the lead on the blue architectural vase Ivo - I thought not Murano, what age do you think this is - now this has a lot of age ware to base rim
Slightly off topic - here is a vase I believe to be new - not in the Millers fact file :wink:
What do you think I have two very large vases the same - paid £5.00 each at a boot sale
http://tinypic.com/bgy1lc.jpg - Lavorazione - Arte Murano - Made in Italy
They are nice but the labels are as new - I like this topic ref Murano glass as so many people are getting ripped off thinking its Murano - oh it must be 1960s - talk about Poli - the A.V.E.M. / Venini eBay scam is just as big
Adam