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Title: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Tigerchips on April 28, 2007, 10:05:34 PM
I couldn't decide which, I think it might be art glass though. The iridescence seems to be sprayed onto amber glass. It's quite heavy. It might be a second as there's a chip under the iridescence. It measures 4 inches diameter. American or Bohemian?

Nicely polished rim
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49225.jpg

Nicely polished pontil
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49228.jpg

Thanks, Tony
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Ivo on April 29, 2007, 05:25:28 AM
WMF Myra crystal probably number J296 from the 1933 & 1936 catalogues. There are no seconds, the iridescence is sprayed onto reduced silver nitrate and the chip does not matter if it is iridised over.

Top stuff, nice find.
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Tigerchips on April 29, 2007, 10:04:37 AM
Ooops, an unexpected bargain. 8)

Thank you Ivo.  8)
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Glen on April 30, 2007, 01:20:23 PM
A delicious looking piece of glass, TC - and my apologies for not posting sooner (as I have written in another thread here; sad, family circumstances have meant I was away from home).

Not Carnival, as Ivo has already explained. I'll just add a little bit extra which may help for the future. To be classed as Carnival, an item should have the following characteristics: iridised, (press) moulded and with a pattern.

The pattern would be moulded (i.e. formed courtesy of the mould and plunger) though there are a very few exceptions where a design is enamelled or etched. (I stress that these are exceptions, and even when the design is enamelled or etched, there is often a moulded pattern too).

Glen
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 30, 2007, 02:21:47 PM
It is moulded isn't it?  ???
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Glen on April 30, 2007, 03:07:22 PM
But it doesn't have a moulded pattern...that's the crunch really. It needs all three attributes to fit into the mainstream Carnival genre (but there's always the exception that proves the rule of course). WMF isn't usually considered to be Carnival. Having said that, there are some epergnes (and at least one epergne base was made by WMF) that sneak into the Carnival "pot". The glassware on them is probably not WMF though (I'm going by correspondence between me and WMF about 10 or 12 years ago, in order to make that sweeping statement).

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Goddess.html

Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: josordoni on April 30, 2007, 03:19:01 PM
Ooops, an unexpected bargain. 8)

Thank you Ivo.  8)

Well done Tony, just think all those frogs you had to kiss, and your reward is a lovely prince...

( or -ess just for you....)
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 30, 2007, 03:31:48 PM
It's got flutes though, ref Pillar flute.

BTW sorry to hear about your family problems  :hug:
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Glen on April 30, 2007, 03:57:29 PM
Very true, Christine, very true. I totally accept your point.

It's one of these ''grey area'' pieces (there are plenty of them). But it's not mainstream Carnival. I suppose that's the easiest way to answer the question (and I totally agree that a case could be argued for it, but I can "hear" Carnival collectors shouting "not Carnival" as I type  >:D)

BTW thanks for your kind words....it helps. Difficult times for us right now.
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: josordoni on April 30, 2007, 04:07:51 PM


BTW thanks for your kind words....it helps. Difficult times for us right now.

Glen, you know you have all our thoughts and best hopes for you all the time, I hope you will be able to take solace from getting out into nature again shortly.  I passed through a bluebell wood last week, and thought immediately of you.   :hug:

Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Tigerchips on April 30, 2007, 04:31:12 PM
:hug: Thanks Glen.

I was a little confused as to whether it was carnival glass or not because of the flutes. But I did notice that the rim had been polished flat and I thought that this was not typical of carnival glass. Maybe I was  wrong about that idea?

Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Tigerchips on April 30, 2007, 04:34:58 PM
Infact, now that I remember, I seem to recall owning a celeste blue 'vintage' (I think) with sharp edges.
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Glen on April 30, 2007, 04:41:18 PM
Hi TC - a polished (ground) rim would be most unusual for Carnival, but I have seen some pieces that have it, such as the Jain tumblers from India.

A fire polished rim, on the other hand, is more normal for Carnival.

TC...you had a celeste blue Vintage? Had? Past tense? I hope you sold it for MUCHO cash!!

You mentioned the sharp edges - that it absolutely typical of celeste blue Carnival.

PS And thanks Lynne and TC too, for your kindness too.
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Tigerchips on April 30, 2007, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: glen
TC...you had a celeste blue Vintage? Had? Past tense? I hope you sold it for MUCHO cash!!

Yes, yes, yes, and no.  :cry:

 :sick:
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Tigerchips on April 30, 2007, 06:56:43 PM
I only paid 50p for it though.  :D
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Glen on April 30, 2007, 07:13:38 PM
Quote
no

oh NO!
 :cry::cry::cry::cry:

But at least you did only pay 50p.
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Tigerchips on April 30, 2007, 09:49:07 PM
I think I sold it for £25. That's what happens when you don't have the internet.  ::)  :-[

And of course, the lack of knowledge made me study even more.  ;D
Title: Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
Post by: Cathy B on May 02, 2007, 01:40:20 AM
Hi TC - a polished (ground) rim would be most unusual for Carnival, but I have seen some pieces that have it, such as the Jain tumblers from India.
And the Australian melon ribs have them too, Glen. But then, they're pretty unique.