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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Scandinavian Glass => Topic started by: paradisetrader on July 18, 2005, 09:47:43 PM

Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: paradisetrader on July 18, 2005, 09:47:43 PM
In addition to
http://www.ilmi-johanna.com/design/ic_designers.html
already posted in another thread

I just came across this resource for all designers
http://www.designaddict.com/design_index/index.cfm

It's interesting to see that several Scandi glass designers, designed other things too ...
eg Timo Sarpaneva here
http://www.designaddict.com/design_index/index.cfm/fuseaction/designer_show_one/DESIGNER_ID/186/index.cfm
Including an 'I-line' series Decanter. That series was mentioned in anoither thread recently
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: Sklounion on July 19, 2005, 01:11:57 AM
Peter,

You seem almost surprised. Since the late 1880's many a scandinavian talent has operated in many fields.

Aalto,(architecture,furniture, glass)Jacobsen (architecture, lighting, furniture, glass, cutlery), Wirkkala(furniture, glass, cutlery), Sarpaneva (furniture, glass, cutlery, silver-ware, ceramics, kitchen-ware), Saarinen (architecture,furniture), the modernist scandinavians, seem to have had an all-encompassing approach, rather than operating on a basis of job-demarcation.

It should be noted that, the major discipline to emerge was that of industrial design. Though there had been several individual talents, Dresser, Behrens, arguably it is in the aftermath of the Bauhaus, and particularly in the 1950's, that industrial design came to the fore.

The movement of former bauhaus teachers to America, and the continuing
global interest in Scandinavian architecture and design, created the conditions in which design schools flourished.

Only after the war did British architecture become a building only discipline, before that, one found the likes of Alfred Waterhouse, designing everything for the Refuge Building, Manchester, the doors, handles, book-cases, etc, rather than using a list of what the various suppliers have to offer. Like-wise Edgar Wood, really the first Modernist architect, designed everything for his buildings, whether that was in Manchester, Stafford, (arguably the first modernist house, predating anything built in mainland Europe, before the First World War(1908)) and Frinton.

Architects used to be considered as the masters of all trades. That that remains true in Northern and central Europe, is a reflection, IMHO, of just how impoverished the profession has become in the west.

Regards,

Marcus
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: Ivo on July 19, 2005, 06:21:01 AM
I have just received the ultimate book on finnish design glass. It is called DESIGNLASIN HINTAKIRJA (design glass price guide) and features all designs from Aino and Alvar Aalto, Kaj Franck, Saara Hopea, Gunnel Nymann, Timo Sarpaneva, Nanny Still, Helena Tynell and Tapio Wirkkala.
The items are presented as B/W line drawings, there are more than 7,000 prices, information on production numbers, colours, sizes and signatures all crammed together on  400 pages. Only drawback, it's all in Finnish - but there is a user's manual and vocabulary in German, Swedish and English. Still a most impressive piece of work at E 39,- available from the finnish design museum.
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: David E on July 19, 2005, 10:36:09 AM
Ivo,

Have you a link to the page where the book can be ordered?

Also a book on 'Idiot's Guide to Learning Finnish'?  :lol:
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2005, 11:00:53 AM
LINK (http://www.riihimaki.fi/index.asp?id=89133595F81645EA948A183A4BB81A1A&data=1,00308B787886459385F296A5AFD4FA74,A4F2AAD836EA45E083BBC079DBC5DA5A&layout=esikatselu)

sorry cannot help with the finnish :roll:
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: David E on July 19, 2005, 11:17:57 AM
Thanks for that; you do need to click 'Museum Shop' then 'Other Publications' to get to the correct page.

However, I can't see how to order the book so have mailed them.
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: tmaritta on July 19, 2005, 01:45:13 PM
David,

If you go to the following page you will find a link to the order form:

LINK (http://www.riihimaki.fi/index.asp?id=89133595F81645EA948A183A4BB81A1A&data=1,00308B787886459385F296A5AFD4FA74,A4F2AAD836EA45E083BBC079DBC5DA5A&layout=esikatselu)

Tilauslomake
Tilauslomakkeen voi ladata rtf-tiedostona

Click on rtf-tiedostona (which is underlined) and the form will open up in Word.  The form is in Finnish and English!

I need to convince my sister (who will have the car) to visit the museum with me while I go to Finland next week - it's only 90 km from my mother's house.   Maybe she will take some pictures that I can post here (I don't have a digital camera and my video camera is too heavy to take with me).  

Cheers,
TMaritta
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: David E on July 19, 2005, 02:11:22 PM
TMaritta,

Thanks for the instructions!  :D

One country I would like to visit sometime – only ever had the chance to visit Stockholm – and I know Father Christmas lives there  :roll:
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: Ivo on July 19, 2005, 03:20:55 PM
http://tinypic.com/91jlec.jpg

sample page so you know what you're in for....

 :P
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: Glen on July 19, 2005, 03:43:29 PM
Suomen Lasimuseo - my favourite place  :D

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/RemarkableRiihimaki.html

Glen
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: David E on July 19, 2005, 06:09:44 PM
Ivo,

Thanks; seems to include an incredible amount of detail, and at least the dimensions are easy to pick out.

Glen,

Thanks for the link.
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: paradisetrader on July 19, 2005, 07:31:18 PM
Marcus
Surprised , no...interested, yes.
Aalto designed very little glass as far as I know.
I didn't know that Arne Jacobsen designed any glass.
I did know that Wirkkala design a wide range of things. A large section is devoted to him in Cahrlotte & Peter Fiel's book.
Mackintosh is noted for his design everything approach. I thought he was the only British architect of note to do so. Thanks for setting me straight.

DESIGNLASIN HINTAKIRJA (design glass price guide)
Thanks Ivo for this. Sounds like a ton of info.
Does it note if designs are still in production ?
B/W line drawings may not be as pretty as photos but do you find them better / more accurate for ID ?
I can't help but wonder how and from where they derive their "prices"
(= values ?) What's your opinion Ivo of how realistic they are ?
 
Had great difficultly locating the order form from your links guys but finally I did it - This link should take people directly to the download.
Bi-lingual Order Form (http://www.riihimaki.fi/modules/upndown/download_file.asp?id=4C05274E80734529AF5130426E65AE1F&tabletarget=) in Word with all formatting showing
Title: Scandi Designers
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2005, 09:21:57 PM
Quote from: "paradisetrader"

Does it note if designs are still in production ?
B/W line drawings may not be as pretty as photos but do you find them better / more accurate for ID ?
I can't help but wonder how and from where they derive their "prices"
(= values ?) What's your opinion Ivo of how realistic they are ?
 


Some current production items are included - but few classic items are still in the collection; Aalto items e.g. are explained at length, likewise Festivo and Arkipelago and suchlike major lines. Not that I'd be capable of reading it, but still.
The line drawings are quite sufficient, especially as there are measures given as well - see the sample page I provided.
The prices are auction results 1994-2004 so that should be quite realistic.
Ivo