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Title: Is this a Mdina glass vase ID = WMF Ikora
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on December 08, 2009, 07:57:51 PM
I pretty certain this looks like a Mdina vase but thought it looks an unusual shape , I do not buy that much Mdina so could be wrong.

Height 7" or 17.5 cm , polished pontil mark  weight 1172 gm

thanks Roy
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: Andy on December 08, 2009, 08:18:28 PM
Roy,
thats an interesting one !
If its Mdina, its a very rare shape and pattern , its got a lot of Harris influences,
I very much hope it is Mdina, im gonna stick my neck out and say , i dont think it is,
I thought it may be a recent Mdina production, but it looks like its got plenty of age to it,
and maybe older than 1960s/70s.
Im very much looking forward to the opinion of all the Mdina fans on here,
I would have bought it!  :mrgreen:
Ive got my fingers crossed!
Andy

edit, its very much like the Mdina bowl on page 28!! Could be a Harris piece  :-\

Im sitting on the fence ;D
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: glassobsessed on December 08, 2009, 08:31:26 PM
I would say probably not unless it is of quite recent production. The shape is not one I associate with Mdina and although the colours seem 'right' the yellow is a bit vivid and the way the darker blue is distributed does not look familiar.

Interesting vase, the glass is quite thick I would guess.

Saying all that I could well be very wrong. ::)

John



Have just read Andy's post, sorry do not see much in common with the bowl mentioned. Is that a polished pontil underneath?
I would have bought it too, if only to ponder....
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on December 08, 2009, 08:35:09 PM
Andy I am still on the fence myself, I bought it at Kempton this morning when still dark , everything was saying Mdina except for the shape.

Earlier this evening I was trying to think who made it if not Mdina and all I could think was someone like WMF Ikora but I think I ruled that out, as you say may be interesting

Roy
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: Andy on December 08, 2009, 08:37:02 PM
Doing the washing up, WMF keeps nagging me??

Roy, sorry , didnt see your last post,  !  but youve ruled that out!
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: langhaugh on December 08, 2009, 11:43:56 PM
My first thought was WMF as I don't know Mdina at all well. I checked through the WMF book primarily to rule that out. However, although I couldn't find the exact colour combination or the exact shape, I don't think I'd rule out WMF yet.

Lovely find, especially in the dark. I must get up earlier.

David
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on December 09, 2009, 07:19:09 AM
Thanks John and David

There is a polished pontil and the base does show quite a lot of age so I would say not of new production.

The yellow is not quite so vivid as picture makes it appear, I would agree its sensable not to rule out WMF

Roy
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 09, 2009, 11:39:54 AM
"Is this Mdina?"

yes.
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: Andy on December 09, 2009, 04:33:08 PM
Sue,
thats short and sweet !

Tell us more, whats your opinion  :chky:

Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 10, 2009, 11:39:47 AM
Nigel's rule-of-thumb.
If it has 3 distinctive features which are right it probably is.
If it has 3 features which are wrong, it probably isn't.

It has 3 right features, although the bulge at the base is "wrong", it is an unknown shape (not necessarily wrong) and an unusual construction with the rim, I'd reckon, on balance, these are not enough to outweigh the others.

I may be wrong. I can't hold it and feel it and examine it properly.
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: nigel benson on December 10, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
Hi,

Sorry, about this Sue, But 100% WMF Ikora IMHO  :)

3 things that say it isn't Mdina (you've outlined) then it isn't - if you are using my rule of thumb.

Wrong shape for Mdina.

The bulge at the base is not a Mdina feature.

Colour laid in differently to other Mdina, most notably the ochre, but I'd also query the blues.

You don't list what the three right things might be??

NOTE: My rule of thumb:

If it has 3 distinctive features which are right it probably is.
If it has 3 features which are wrong, it definitely isn't.

Like all rules of thumb there are of course exceptions, however this has worked as guidance for me over the years - note the difference in the two statements, which reflect my experience.

Nigel



Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 10, 2009, 02:33:10 PM
 :thup:

Thanks for clarifying, Nigel!
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on December 12, 2009, 09:45:37 PM
Thanks Nigel and Sue

WMF seems the most likely maker at least we all agree with WMF if not Mdina .

Roy
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: Andy on December 13, 2009, 06:20:43 PM
An interesting item, discussion, and result  ! :clap:

Will keep my eyes peeled for more WMF
 ;D
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 15, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
I would think a proper fondle might be needed to make a final decision. Shame about the wee chip on the base.
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on December 15, 2009, 04:54:18 PM
Thanks Sue

I intend to keep it for the time being, I did see this on ebay the other day and was not sure if it was Mdina or not , thought the colours looked similar to mine

 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LARGE-1970s-MDINA-ART-GLASS-SCULPTURE-VASE_W0QQitemZ260514489110QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Art_Glass?hash=item3ca7dfa316

Thanks Roy
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: Andy on December 15, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
Blimey , went for £63  :o
I would have more doubts that one is Mdina than your one :huh:
Andy

( it says large Mdina and its 4 inches tall ! )
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 15, 2009, 05:03:33 PM
Decidedly WMF-y, lending support to the WMF camp. I've not seen much WMF in these sorts of colourways before.

Does anybody know if WMF used silver chloride?
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on December 15, 2009, 05:19:31 PM
Exactly what I thought looks very WMF shape even if Mdina colour , I wonder if the buyer bought it as Mdina or did they know otherwise.

Maybe they ment heavy for the size rather than large
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: Andy on December 15, 2009, 05:22:37 PM
The fact that there were only 2 bids may mean 2 people knew the value, maybe WMFites  ;D
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: nigel benson on December 16, 2009, 09:39:07 AM
Hello,

The original vase is on page 118 of "WMF Ikora & Myra Glass" and comes in three colours, blue, green and red at 17cms high.

The second vase is a WMF shape and colourway and seems to appear on various pages in the book, but I've chosen the one on page 173 pat no 8113 which comes in red, and green/blue.

Amazing what you can find in books ::) ;)

Nigel
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 16, 2009, 11:32:06 AM
Thanks ever so much, Nigel!

I don't have access to this book, I'm afraid.

It wouldn't happen to say if WMF used silver chloride at all?
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on March 27, 2010, 09:08:40 AM
Something I could of tried early on to possibly rule out Mdina was to test the vase with a UV light.

Last night while testing a couple of other items my UV light got quite close to the WMF vase and was very surprised to see that all the blue coloured glass glows quite strongly green.

I will post a picture to add to the posting later today

Roy
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: Pinkspoons on April 19, 2010, 07:06:08 PM
Just watched this end on eBay. Astounding price! :o
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on April 19, 2010, 08:21:03 PM
No one more surprised than me finished at £568.88 , although there was a lot of interest from day one , an offer of 120 Euros including postage and a how much  do you want for it, 55 watchers I consider as quite high, I can only assume it was a rare vase or colour and something to watch out  for at fairs.

Thanks again for help in the ID of the vase

Roy
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on April 20, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
Golly i was watching this vase couldnt believe what price it went too in the last minuites congrats :thup:
Title: Re: Is this a Mdina glass vase
Post by: Frank on October 24, 2010, 06:11:40 PM
No doubt WMF Ikora as it is so typical... been to busy to look in here much this year. Surprised Ivo missed it.