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Title: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Andy on June 16, 2012, 03:53:57 PM

Just found this large old jug. Found a very similar example in Millers Glass guide, says ice-glass c 1890. That one is just Cranberry, mine has a lovely fading to clear. Handles are just the same, moulded ribbed pattern.

Any ideas of origin? Stourbridge perhaps, somethings making me think it may be American? Maybe its because it resembles amberina glass.?

Its 9 1/2 inches tall. The texture is rough and crackly, and feels like sugar granules all over it.
Cheers
Andy

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 16, 2012, 04:30:41 PM

Base shot. (Tut tut. How long have you been here Andy?)

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Andy on June 16, 2012, 04:38:05 PM

oops !  ::)
I knew i forgot something ! Small polished pontil mark, there are 2 ridges on the sides of the body of the jug, mould marks , i presume.

 :D

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: keith on June 16, 2012, 04:46:28 PM

Very nice,goes well with this ;D ;D

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Andy on June 16, 2012, 04:55:14 PM

A good chance they came from the same place ! Feet look more English than my American theory. 
 :D

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 16, 2012, 05:08:58 PM

I'm more inclined to English with Bohemian trailing behind

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Andy on June 18, 2012, 12:24:24 PM

listed under Bohemian glass on this very useful website.

http://www.glaskilian.de/Vase-Eisglas-Boehmen-um-1890.108+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMDgmTD0xJnByb2R1Y3RJRD01OTMmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTA4JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 18, 2012, 01:16:28 PM

That is possibly Kralik from those feet, but the clear to cranberry and overshot are simple techniques to copy, so I wouldn't like to be definitive about yours, as it has no "particular" features

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Andy on July 01, 2012, 10:25:20 AM

Theres a picture of a clear crackle jug in Hajdamachs British glass book, page 256 , same shape and handle, thought to be English, late 19th Century, and a description of the production of crackle glass with picture on page 265. The first use of crackle glass in the Stevens and Williams pattern books, was in 1877, page 287.
My jug seems to have this extra added sugar granule effect, presumably rolled in some clear glass frit, before the final heating and finishing.
Pretty sure this is Stourbridge.
 :D

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: flying free on July 01, 2012, 10:58:08 AM

yours is overshot glass :)
and beautiful.  But I doubt you will pin down a maker.  I would go for English first, then Bohemian if I was trying to research it.  But having researched many of these overshot items repeatedly, there is not a lot of evidence out there.  And your handle is generally referred to as 'reeded' I think.

m

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Andy on July 01, 2012, 11:10:53 AM

Thanks m
I should have known the term 'overshot' i have a Kralik vase on ebay at the moment, and mentioned it in the description , and not the heading ! Doh  ::)
Found this article, describes the jug exactly !
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles/article021.shtml

Interesting part says mixing of colours was produced in England !

(not that i believe everything i read on the interweb !  ;D  )

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: flying free on July 01, 2012, 11:14:15 AM

yes, I just couldn't remember where to find the article to back up the English first, comment.
That article or one with similar comments is also on the Glass Message Board somewhere but I don't know how to find it.
m

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Andy on July 02, 2012, 07:56:05 PM

m, i think it must be this link you remember,
http://www.theglassmuseum.com/overshot.htm
edited by our own Angela !  :D

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: flying free on July 02, 2012, 08:09:15 PM

yes that's the one - I must remember it's dalled the Glass museum
m

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Andy on March 04, 2013, 04:49:45 PM

Just happened across an interesting post by Alfredo on his collectors weekly blog, with Loetz examples
in the Passau Museum collection.
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/83399-loetz-overshot-vases-passau-museum-ii?in=user

and a pink one,
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/82664-loetz-red-overshot-pitcher-at-the-passau?in=user

Handles just the same as mine.

Hope everyone is well, i've been a bit quiet for a while
Andy

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 04, 2013, 07:03:27 PM

Trouble is those handles aren't exclusive...

Title: Re: Large Cranberry to clear Ice Crackle Glass Jug 19th Century
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 05, 2013, 12:51:44 PM

Mind you the jug shape is the same as the clear one.