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Title: All the Butterfly trays now identified - thanks to all!
Post by: David E on March 07, 2007, 10:23:05 AM
Hi all, I've now got photoed examples of all six of the Chance butterfly dishes, but although I have four identified, a couple are confusing me as to their proper name ???

See: Butterfly Dishes (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/pages_fiesta/fiesta_patt-series.html#butterfly)

The six names given by Chance for the series are:


Can anyone help me get them ordered properly? Thanks for looking 8)
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: Sue C on March 07, 2007, 10:44:03 AM
www.ukbutterflies.co.uk  hope this helps.
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: David E on March 07, 2007, 10:48:17 AM
Thanks Sue, I have tried looking at the various images on the web, but they don't seem to match very well. As you can see, I have a Holly Blue to find, which I know is predominantly blue (would you believe 8)), but the two remaining ones are nothing like it ???  :-\

Agrias Lugens has the most blue of the six designs, but I'm pretty sure this one is correct.

Guess I'll have to wait for a wildlife expert to drop by. Kev, perhaps?
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: David E on March 07, 2007, 10:54:10 AM
Ah, I might have answered my own question here, but the one I have titled Milkweed? does have a smaller blue butterfly in the background. Is this a Holly Blue??? :o

All the other six dishes show a matching butterfly in the background and this is the only one where a totally different one is showing.

Edit: And I've just discovered the Milkweed is commonly called Monarch, which does match the other design!
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: Max on March 07, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
I think the 'Milkweed' one is a Monarch Butterfly (correct at No.3) ...they feed on milkweed.  Still trying to find Agrias Lugens...no luck at all yet.

Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: David E on March 07, 2007, 11:00:51 AM
Max, I'm pretty sure Agrias Lugens is correct and I believe I just need to correctly identify the Holly Blue - see my earlier post (think we crossed!  :-*)
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: Max on March 07, 2007, 11:11:31 AM
Your Holly Blue looks the same as the one in my book, except mine is a little darker and the wings are more separated.  Probably your one is just resting.  ;D  I'll send you a scan.

Its latin name appears to be:  Celastrina Argiolus   if that's any help.

Very strange about the Agrias Lugens though. I've been all over my book, by name and by characteristics and can't find anything similar.  Maybe the Victorians killed them all.  :-\  I hope Kev can shed some light on that, it's annoying me that I can't find it!

Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: David E on March 07, 2007, 11:15:45 AM
A couple of links

Agrias Lugens (http://www.insectcompany.com/asporders/aspinsect.asp?InsectID=7363)

Agrias Lugens (http://www.godofinsects.com/museum/display.php?sid=532)
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: Max on March 07, 2007, 11:17:45 AM
Using the net is cheating!!!   >:D ;)

Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: Bernard C on March 07, 2007, 11:35:06 AM
David — My list (other replies unread as I didn't want to get confused)


We only discovered at the end of last year that we live in a stronghold of the rare Wood White, with three local woods managed for this species.   So we will be there, first week in June, hoping to see not only this beauty, but also the male's strange wing-bashing behaviour;  see this video (http://www.ukbutterflies.co.uk/species.php?vernacular_name=Wood%20White).

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: David E on March 07, 2007, 11:42:22 AM
Thanks Bernard and Max,

I've now updated the page to show what I think is now correct :) (check you haven't got a cached page)

It was the Holly Blue that threw me until I saw the small one in the background - heck, it's nearly as bad as identifying glass! :D
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: Sue C on March 07, 2007, 11:44:43 AM
David, also try www.inmagine.com type in what you want, they may have an image, as Bernard say's the Milkweed is from a group one of which is the Monarch.
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: David E on March 07, 2007, 11:51:22 AM
Thanks Sue, although I think your www.ukbutterflies.co.uk link was pretty fab! :D
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: Bernard C on March 07, 2007, 11:52:50 AM
David — Yes, you've got them correctly identified now.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Any Butterfly spotters? Help required with IDs!
Post by: David E on March 07, 2007, 11:54:41 AM
Thanks Bernard :)