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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: poppymurren on February 21, 2011, 10:42:23 PM
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Please help me in my quest to find the name of my Selkirk glass paperweight before i pull my hair out.
It measures 27cm round and is the most awesome paperweight i have as a novice collector.. please, please help me good people :)
Forgot to add .. has selkirk glass 1987 etched at the bottom..
Your help is much appreciated.
poppymurren :)
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Hello Poppymurren :hi:
Please post a photo of the base and a close-up of the signature.
I hope you are able to find an answer ... Lily :)
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There's no signature on the bottom ... just Selkirk Glass, Scotland 1987 .. I've attached the best pictures i can take of the base... Hope this helps..
poppymurren the novice :)
P.S .. excuse the paint on the fingers ... I'm in the middle of a masterpiece :)
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Thanks for the additional photos. What little I can see of the signature does look right, but, unfortunately I cannot see enough of it to be sure. Maybe you could try again?
I have two Selkirk paperweights--one with a name (Seaburst) and one without. Truth is, yours may not have an actual name. Hopefully, though, someone else more familiar with Peter Holmes weights will stop by and add something to this thread.
Good Luck .... Lily :)
Oh, are there white tendrils around the center bubble in the weight or is that just a reflection I am seeing?
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Reminds me of a Caithness Moonflower.
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Hi poppymurren
The fact the weight is not named would indicate an unlimited edition weight.
In 1987 there were 4 new unlimited weights launched by Selkirk but none
of them were green
However in 1986 there was an unlimited weight called "Pastelle" which
was produced in either pink or green. Quite common for a good selling
design to be carried forward to the following year so I suspect that
your weight could be Pastelle but it really needs another member who
has one to confirm the design.
Another option is that it was a trial piece for a new design. Selkirk was
a volume producer of paperweights and the unlimited editions were aimed
at the gift market and for passing tourists as souvenirs. Such trial pieces
would be signed and put in the factory shop.
Sach - You mention Caithness Moonflower - Peter Holmes worked at
Caithness (Head of paperweight making) right up to 1977 and the
first Caithness moonflower appeared in 1970. Although the design is
credited to Colin Terris, Colin worked VERY closely with Peter Holmes
on the design of weights so its not surprising that Selkirk produced
designs that were very similar to those of Caithness.
Best regards
Derek
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All Selkirk weights appearing in the sales catalogues have names - but these are usually not inscribed on the base, which makes identification sometimes difficult.
In addition many more weights were produced, which never went into production - but seem to have been sold anyway: these would likely have no names, at least no known names.
Now for the weight in question: I have checked the 1983...1988 catalogues - this weight is not shown. So most likely it's one which was never produced in larger quantities - no name - but call it a one-off >:D.
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Looks suspiciously like a Satin weight to me. I do have one somewhere but packed away, but heres a blue one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Beautiful-Selkirk-Glass-Paperweight-satin-Blue-/380250127835?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item5888ac7ddb
Its a classic selkirk abstract weight, so could be one of hundreds of designs!
Ian
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Looks suspiciously like a Satin weight to me. I do have one somewhere but packed away, but heres a blue one
It actually looks somewhat similar - could be a design study leading up to Satin. Satin first showed up in the 1990 catalogue (Lilac) - but there was never a green version in the catalogues / price lists. Later colourways were Blue, Crimson, Rainbow, and Sea Blue.
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Hi Wuff
I think unlikely that Selkirk would take 3 years to get from a design study for an unlimited weight to production
Best regards
Derek
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Hi
This is a Selkirk Glass table weight, it has no name, produced initially as an idea for a weight but not considered good enough in design to be named or introduced as limited edition paperweight, the weight would be quick to make. some would be cut and engraved, these would be sold in the shop as affordable table weights. hope this helps.
collectingatcollectables
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I don't know how common - or rare - these are. I have several large Selkirk weights that are abstract designs, with 'Selkirk Glass Scotland' and a date between 1997 and 1999. One of mine is cut with a quite complex design. None have design names.
Alan
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There are two separate problems for the identification of Selkirk weights:
1. Most weights are just marked "Selkirk" (no name).
2. The marked year is not the year of first issue, but year of production: I have a large number of Selkirk weights (or at least images of them) with marked years several years after the particular weight showed up last in the catalogues.
Solution: look through the catalogues, starting with the indicated year, and go backwards in time.
Right now I am preparing images for a Selkirk catalogue on Scotland's Glass: for that I have digitized/compiled all catalogues 1985 and later (plus a few before). If you send me images of your weights, I'll have a look.
SMALLPRINT (especially for all other readers): for all images sent for identification, I assume implicit permission to use the images for our catalogue >:D.
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Hi Wuff,
I do not have any early catalogues (only late ones). However, I spoke to someone at the Yelverton Paperweight Centre and it appears that they have all the Selkirk catalogues (even the very early ones). They would need to be scanned, of course but at least you know where to get hold of the missing catalogues.
By the way, I have quite a few Selkirk weights (a weakness of mine). I cannot remember whether I have offered to do this already but I would be happy to sent pictures of these for the Selkirk catalogue thjat you are putting together.
Sophie
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Hi All
Sorry the last link did not work. [Mod: previous post with incorrect link now removed] fingers crossed this will
http://photobucket.com/collectingatcollectables
[Mod: Sadly the new link just goes to the Phoptobucket sign in page!]
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[Mod: previous post with incorrect link now removed]
Which is a pity: with the old link one could at least get to the album (without the need of a password) by removing the rear of the link - whilst just getting to the login page (where you need a password) is useless for many readers :-\. Yes ... I object to starting "accounts" all over the place, just for being able to see some images.
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... However, I spoke to someone at the Yelverton Paperweight Centre and it appears that they have all the Selkirk catalogues (even the very early ones). They would need to be scanned, of course, but at least you know where to get hold of the missing catalogues.
Thank you for pointing this out: I had bought some of my Selkirk catalogues from them (on ebay), but when I asked about the early ones, I was told, they had none - which was a misunderstanding: they just have no duplicates to sell. I have contacted them again - and will get all early catalogues they have for scanning.
By the way, I have quite a few Selkirk weights (a weakness of mine). I cannot remember whether I have offered to do this already but I would be happy to send pictures of these for the Selkirk catalogue that you are putting together.
Sophie
Thank you for the offer - I remember we discussed this - but didn't come to a conclusion: Selkirk was just a future project for me at the time. In the meantime I have a (more or less) complete list of Selkirk weights, and a file name structure - so any images would be most welcome. In case you take new pictures: preferred are top / oblique / side views on a white background; original (high resolution) images with minimal (or no) compression.
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Hi Wuff,
Pleased to be of service...
I need to take new pictures of the Selkirk weights. However, I am about to go away: are you in a hurry or can these pictures wait until the last week of August?
Sophie
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There are two separate problems for the identification of Selkirk weights:
1. Most weights are just marked "Selkirk" (no name).
2. The marked year is not the year of first issue, but year of production: I have a large number of Selkirk weights (or at least images of them) with marked years several years after the particular weight showed up last in the catalogues.
Solution: look through the catalogues, starting with the indicated year, and go backwards in time.
Right now I am preparing images for a Selkirk catalogue on Scotland's Glass: for that I have digitized/compiled all catalogues 1985 and later (plus a few before). If you send me images of your weights, I'll have a look.
SMALLPRINT (especially for all other readers): for all images sent for identification, I assume implicit permission to use the images for our catalogue >:D.
Wuff, why do you say most Selkirk weights do not have name on the base? I own around 150, and almost all have the name hand enscribed. I suspect that it is only mass produced cheaper (affordable as Rob calls them!) are the ones without a name on them. Although I do have a few with no name, it is literally 5 or 6 of my collection. Anything earlier or rather better seem to be always named....
Small selection of mine :)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/pooleandpaperweights/DSC_0190-1.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/pooleandpaperweights/DSC_0097.jpg)
Ian
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I have an unnanmed one from 1989 http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=814
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=815
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Wuff, Yelverton definately have all the catalogues, and I've had the earliest in my hands on a visit there a couple of years ago. Somewhere I have a scan of it, but cant see to find it :(
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Wuff, my collection is also availlable for photo's. I own pretty much every good to great weight done, with one or 2 exceptions.......
Now they're pretty much all on display, I'm sure I can do a mass photo session some time if you and the scotlands glass guys want them :)
Ian
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... However, I am about to go away: are you in a hurry or can these pictures wait until the last week of August?
Thank you for your offer, Sophie: no hurry whatsoever - as mentioned, I am just in the preparation stage for the Selkirk project - will take a while until anthing goes online.
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Wuff, why do you say most Selkirk weights do not have name on the base? I own around 150, and almost all have the name hand enscribed. I suspect that it is only mass produced cheaper (affordable as Rob calls them!) are the ones without a name on them. ...
Well - my view will likely be somewhat biased: I regularly check ebay for images which might be of interest for ScotlandsGlass - from what's offered there I can assure you that the vast majority of Selkirk weights on offer is not signed (with a name) - but then there surely will be a preponderance of unlimited weights on ebay.
On the other hand - whilst my Selkirk collection is much less impressive than yours - amongst my limited editions is at least one (1984 Bluebells) which is not signed: as I bought it directly from Selkirk, and it came with certificate (98/250) I very much hope it's genuine :usd:.
Looking at your images I not only get jealous - but also see a few weights of which I would appreciate higher resolution images >:D. Just a few examples I recognise immediately:
1980 Primroses
1979 Seabed
1980 Little Owl (not sure if there is one in the back row)
1978 Dragonfly
You wouldn't by any chance have a list of your weights (you'll find my mail button in the lefthand column)?
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Wuff, my collection is also available for photo's. I own pretty much every good to great weight done, with one or 2 exceptions.......
Now they're pretty much all on display, I'm sure I can do a mass photo session some time if you and the scotlands glass guys want them :)
Ian
Thanks, Ian - our postings seem to have crossed - and you already answered my plea: thank you very much!
As said above: best (for me) would be a list of your weights - so I can compare with my list.
Even if I finally get all my missing catalogues from Yelverton (good to hear that they actually should have all of them - They were going to contact me again in due course), it is always nice to have additional views, not just the (scanned) catalogue images.
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I have an unnamed one from 1989
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=814
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=815
Hi Christine,
I have checked the 1985...1990 catalogues - whilst there are several swirl&bubble weights, none of them seems to have the right combination of swirls and bubbles with the right colouring. Whilst with single views in the catalogues I may have just missed it, the chance is it is falling into the category described This is a Selkirk Glass table weight, it has no name, produced initially as an idea for a weight but not considered good enough in design to be named ... above by Robert.
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Hi Wuff
1980 Primroses, 1979 Seabed, 1980 Little Owl (not sure if there is one in the back row), 1978 Dragonfly.
All of those, and a different Dragonfly, named Dragonfly, from 1980 (only one Ive ever seen). Also Penguin (only one Ive ever seen) and many others. Just uploading some new pictures showing more detail, so have a look through and let me know which ones you'd like and then I can check the names. I've also got many more in the loft at the moment, but figure this will be a good starting point!!!!
The weights in the pictures are obviously mainly selkirk, but there are a few which are scottish borders period, and of course some other stuff like Willie Manson, Okra, and so on as well.....
Going slightly of on a tangent you can have the pictures of the 4 seasons set and the Purple (maybe blue?) coral caithness weights which finish later on this evening if you guys don't have them!
Ian
Hopefully you can get to all the pictures from this one link.
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/pooleandpaperweights/DSC_0173.jpg
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/pooleandpaperweights/DSC_0173.jpg)
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Ian,
WHOW!!! :hiclp: What at a marvellous/superb/fantastic collection of Selkirks!!! :hiclp:
When I grow up, I want one just like that ;D
Joking apart, it is nice to hear that some Selkirk weights really exist - like the penguin. It is alluded to in a number of places, but I have never seen one. Can you tell me the size of the edition?
I noticed that you also own a Caithness shipwreck... (May be when I grow up...)
Many many thanks for sharing these treasures with us.
Sophie
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My particular interest is Peter Holmes' work, and the star of the collection is the shipwreck. Found it at auction when it was listed with 2 caithness weights as "a weight with a PH cane". Unfortunately others spotted it as well so had to pay the right money for it.....
Peter has one with facets, as when making them there was one with some damage of some kind, so he cut facets into it to take the damage away. It's in his display cabinets at scottish borders art glass in Hawick if you're ever around there, well worth a visit!
Will check Penguin later, but the one I have is the only one I've ever seen, as is the fruit basket!
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I share your interest in Peter Holmes. I think that his work is fantastic. I am planning a trip to Hawick very soon. I will look out for the facetted shipwreck in the display cabinets.
Many thanks again.
Sophie
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We spent over 4 hours there this time last year, and he made me the 4 colour marbrie to the left of the shipwreck while there. Andrew also made a weight, in one of the pictures, but lovely to see them and they went out of their way to make us feel welcome and show us how it's done!
Ian
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I have a lovely Selkirk weight called 'Nightshade'. It was the first 'proper' weight I ever bought, and I got it from the Yelverton Paperweight Centre. However, when we went back a couple of years ago and I mentioned it to the chap there, he said he had never heard of it and couldn't find the name in the catalogues! :spls: At the time I couldn't remember the date or number, only the name, but when we got home I checked, and it's inscribed on the base 'Selkirk Glass Scotland Nightshade 149/300 1994'. Why couldn't he find it in the catalogue, I wonder :huh:
Wuff, would you like a picture?
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Why couldn't he find it in the catalogue, I wonder :huh:
Wuff, would you like a picture?
Well - I guess he didn't look carefully enough: shows up in the 1994/95/96 catalogues. Edition size given is 500, though, not 300.
And - yes - images would be great: good original images are always better than scanned catalogue images.
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Hi Wuff
We have listed a Selkirk on eBay (seller: rosismum) - please feel free to download and use the eBay images.
Alan
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Thank you, Alan - auction has been marked for copying.
Although the images in the catalogues are slightly more brownish, I'm sure your weight is "Tiger Lily - Purple", designed by William Lowery, and first issued in 1995.
There is also another colourway (Pink), first issued in 1993.
They show up in catalogues until 1999 - but may well have been produced afterwads.
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Hi
I just noticed that the link took people to the sign in page, I have now amended this.
Bestr egards
Robert