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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: CathyG on August 09, 2005, 08:47:08 PM

Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: CathyG on August 09, 2005, 08:47:08 PM
Hello Everyone!

I found these two decanters (perfume?) not sure what they are. They are 7 3/4" tall and are 14 1/2" in circumference. Very heavy and the color is a light aqua and amber, ground stoppers. They have age ware on the bottom and need to be cleaned, quite a bit of dust in the ribs. I just thought they were pretty. Any help would be appreciated. I didn't know if I should put them here or on the glass board, so I'll try here first.

CathyG

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/glasie55/perfumebottles002.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/glasie55/groundstoppers.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/glasie55/bottom.jpg
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: Connie on August 09, 2005, 09:01:29 PM
CathyG - I haven't clue about the maker but as someone else around here says ...

I want, I want, I want!!!  :lol:
Title: perfume decanters
Post by: chuggy on August 09, 2005, 09:37:45 PM
Look very much like Archimede Seguso as I've had a very large signed ewer  and also a signed large decanter in exactly the same colour combination. also the lobes in the body are very Seguso in design.
Paul
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: CathyG on August 09, 2005, 09:44:12 PM
Thanks Paul! Seguso... LOL see I really don't know squat about Italian, I keep getting confused as to the makers. I think I need a class in it!!! LOL
Title: decanters
Post by: chuggy on August 09, 2005, 09:48:16 PM
Believe me Cathy I have similar problems with American glass, trouble is with the exception of Carnival pieces just don't see enough of it.  With all the information in the world it's still easy to get things wrong which is why I find these forums such a great market place of information.
Paul
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: lenore on August 09, 2005, 09:58:27 PM
Just wondering as I am trying to learn more; but, is the flat polished base on this piece more typical of Archimede Seguso than other Murano glassworks?
Thanks,
Lenore 8)
Title: decanters
Post by: chuggy on August 09, 2005, 10:02:25 PM
Certainly in my experience the vast majority of the Archimede Seguso pieces I've had over the years have had that type of base.
Paul
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: lenore on August 09, 2005, 10:04:30 PM
Thanks, Paul! That bit of info will surely help. You are the best! :P
In fact we came across a horse's head in black & white opaque glass but decided not to purchase it as it seemed pretty pricey. It had the smooth flat base. And, we did see an angel figurine w/her two arms extended w/her hands being candleholders. And, she had bright red lips! But she too had this type bottom. See, I learned some valuable info here again! THANKS!
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: svazzo on August 10, 2005, 02:09:27 AM
Quote from: "lenore"
Just wondering as I am trying to learn more; but, is the flat polished base on this piece more typical of Archimede Seguso than other Murano glassworks?
Thanks,
Lenore 8)


Hi Lenore and Paul,
Please do not take the fact that the pieces have polished bases as an attribution to Seguso. Almost every Italian Artist has polished bases. It is not a significant fact in attribution to 1 or the other. We can go down the list of Italian artists if we went with just polished pontils. Techniques is what really separate the designers.
Also the pieces do look like Seguso, but Barbini also made the same color combination.  
Thanks!
Javier
Title: decanters
Post by: chuggy on August 10, 2005, 07:24:45 AM
I quite agree Javier and whilst most Archimede Seguso work has polished bases, most polished bases aren't necessarily Seguso.
Paul
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: CathyG on August 10, 2005, 11:43:34 AM
Javier and Paul,

Thanks for the lesson on bottoms. It seems to me that that's probably true for most companies. I know we get a lot of people under the assumption that if it has a rough pontil it's Blenko. But Blenko finished the piece in the fashion it needed to be, becasue of the design or because they had the man power and time to do it.

Can I ask what these may be worth today? I really don't have any idea of value for Italian, I paid $41.00 a piece for them.

Thanks!
CathyG
Title: decanters
Post by: chuggy on August 10, 2005, 12:13:58 PM
Hi Cathy
In the UK, I would expect to pay around £60 - £70 each for these without any labels or signatures.
Paul
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: CathyG on August 10, 2005, 01:59:04 PM
Thanks Paul! I'm not selling them, but I like to know a ballpark as to value. Your replies are much appreciated.

CathyG
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: tmaritta on August 11, 2005, 09:44:32 PM
Cathy,

Very nice decanters/parfum bottles indeed!   I have two vases very similar in design if not in colour and when I queried about them here on the Glass Message Board, the suggestion was that they were by Seguso Vetri d'Arte.  Based on this advice I found this link on the net:

http://www.von-zezschwitz.de/onlinecatalog.php?id=19&chapter=16&page=4

Can somebody enlighten me what is the difference between Archimede Seguso and Seguso Vetri d'Arte?  I would imagine AS was the 'master' designer and SVd'A was formed by a group of designers taught(?) by the master.  Of course, this is just my uneducated guess. :?

Regards,
TMaritta
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: CathyG on August 12, 2005, 11:34:22 AM
Thanks tmaritta!

Yes, I too would also like to know the difference.

CathyG
Title: decanters
Post by: chuggy on August 12, 2005, 08:48:20 PM
OK lets have a crack on the Seguso backgrounds, the following is how I understand it historically, but I do stand to be corrected.
 The historic origins of Seguso Vetri d'Arte go back to 1933 and a company called Artistica Vetraria e Soffieria Barovier Seguso e Ferro which was founded by Napoleone Barovier, Luigi Ferro, Antonio Seguso and his 3 sons, Archimede, Alberto and Ernesto. The first master glass blower for the company was Archimede Seguso. From 1934-1963 Flavio Poli served as the firms artistic director. Luigo Ferro left the firm I believe in 1937 and it is from this date that the Seguso Vetri d'Arte name came into being until the company closed in 1973. It then under went a couple of changes in ownership before re establishing the Seguso Vetri d'Arte name in 1978 until it's final sale to Cenedese in 1992.

Archimede Seguso left S V d'A in 1942 and established his own firm after the war in 1945 with Andrea Barbini, and in 1947 it was called Vetreria Archimede Seguso, and this was the vehicle for his work with others right through until his death.

I have loads more info on both but I hope that answers at least some of the basic questions.

Paul
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: tmaritta on August 13, 2005, 12:08:13 PM
Thank you Paul for the information!  

Would you say that the vase in my link is correctly attributed to Seguso Vetri d'Arte or do you rather think it is by Archimede Seguso?  Obviously with no sticker or signature, misattributions are always posible.

Many thanks,
TMaritta
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: CathyG on August 13, 2005, 12:22:30 PM
Thanks Paul! Great information I can print off and put with my Italian books.

CathyG
Title: seguso
Post by: chuggy on August 13, 2005, 07:38:02 PM
The vase could well be correctly attributed, but I would favour Archimede personally, though the influence of Flavio Poli is clear. There was a strong cross pollination of styles, particularly in the first decade after the war.
Paul
Title: Barbini? Toso? Italian? I dont' know!
Post by: svazzo on August 13, 2005, 09:47:44 PM
Hi Paul,
I agree with you that the perfume bottles aren't Seguso Vetri d'Arte (30's - 40's), but the vintage 50's 60's pieces. Looking at otehr samples I think I will retract my first thought of Barbini and say they would be more consitant with the Seguso ribbed pieces.
Javier